Associated Press: Gay voters angry at Democrats could sway election — Page 4

Yes and all these things you say are supposed to imply what? That it's impossible for two things to be true? That we want Obama to do the right thing and we undertand how obstructionist Republicans make that harder for him AND we're angry about the obvious missteps he's made on gay issues and the seeming indifference he now has about a community he courted?

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No, lots of things can be true. It's been hard and it'll probably get harder, especially if the right is fired up and turn out in record numbers and the left sits home and pouts. You can certainly be pissed about all that and more. But being pissed doesn't change the facts that the votes aren't there to repeal DADT right now- as evidenced by the fact it was introduced and blocked. Reid can re-introduce the measure in the lame duck session. I have no idea what good he thinks that will do but hey, maybe he's got a rabbit up his sleeve.

I am confident DADT will fall- right now, I'd put my money on a supreme court take down. But Politics is cyclical. And it moves fast- we went from unstoppable democratic majority to deadlock in a matter of weeks and if the media is to believed, we stand on the edge of a conservative renaissance now, only two years after that same media proclaimed the republican party dead.

And the end of DADT will be a VERY good thing- I think any sane person agrees with that. It's a horrible law and needs to go.

It didn't seem to do much to Dick Cheney.

Which leaves: "How about this unseasonably warm weather?"

This is starting to put me in mind of the reminiscences about JFK, in Caroline, or Change. The characters referred to him as "our almost-friend."

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"Perhaps it's time our leaders started threatening the White House."

Wouldn't work. Obama doesn't give a sh*t. And there's that annoying thing about the other side being even worse. They know we've got nobody to vote for, unless some Dem candidate comes along who'll make us all the promises that Obama made...

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Then here's an idea, and I can't believe he didn't think of it because he's so smart: DON'T HAVE THE MEETING.

By the same token (pun chosen deliberately): Your DOJ is using the most homophobic arguments possible to uphold DADT? DON'T RECORD AN IT GETS BETTER VIDEO.

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Joe--do you understand that the phrase "...or Counsel's Office will end the meeting..." is antagonistic and insulting?

As one of the posters at JoeMyGod said:

I was a manager in a federal agency and attended many meetings with members of the public regarding issues that were the subject of litigation. If I had sent an email like this, I would have been subjected to disciplinary action.

The email wording and tone are fairly outrageous.

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Updated On: 10/26/10 at 03:51 PM

Victim card! How many? Smoking or non?

Seriously Joe, if you hadn't been so rabinnical and/or Clintonian in your dissection of just who might possibly deserve to be angry about DADT even though it's their own damn fault for being gay and having the temerity to enter the military when they could have chosen an unlimited number of other employment options regardless of their socio-economic class or their race/ethnicity I wouldn't have tried so damn hard to get you to say, "You know what, I can see how people can feel pissed off about this."

Instead, you seem to want to gloss over it the way a spousal abuse survivor does when they go back to their perpetrator.

Sure, the end choice may be having to vote for people you need to wear a clothespin on your nose in order to do so, but PLEASE don't stake a claim that the anger isn't justified.

And then don't whine when people try to convince you, which is what you criticism was earlier in the thread.

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And that's what I meant by your rabinical (spelled right this time) demarcation of who might possibly have a right to be angry, the way you specified how people screwed by the military might be.

That does imply that others, such as those of us with military partners, as well as progressive observers who don't trust what Obama is doing, do not.

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I will, however, fight to the death my right to spell it "Rabbinical".

Barack stopped by the meeting.
Obama Came To The DADT Meeting

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After reading these posts, I'm reminded of an old say, "Don't cut off your nose to spite your face."

Anger has its place, but letting anger control you gets you nowhere.

Go ahead, don't vote! Go ahead, make sure the GOP controls both houses of Congress. Then when you complain, I'll going to put my fingers in my ears and stop listening.