Brokeback Mountain won and it just seemed so ordinary- Page 2

[iluvtheatertrash]

Posted: 1/16/06 at 11:28pm

*ahem*

Can we get back to the point here, folks?

This is a great day for the community. Whether you liked the film or not.

[Kringas]

Posted: 1/16/06 at 11:28pm

Disgusting. All of you.

[NYadgal]

Posted: 1/16/06 at 11:29pm

Thank you.

[iluvtheatertrash]

Posted: 1/16/06 at 11:30pm

(Insert sheep here.)

[Kringas]

Posted: 1/16/06 at 11:30pm

This is a great day for the community.

Please explain.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 1/16/06 at 11:30pm

ferlingetti once bought me a lot of scotch. the sticks will always find another voice to howl truths to power and cry havoc...should i ever leave for cementier pastures.

[kissmycookie]

Posted: 1/16/06 at 11:32pm

something baaah-ed?

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 1/16/06 at 11:32pm

(insert sheep here.)

so said mrs. kong every once in a while.

[iluvtheatertrash]

Posted: 1/16/06 at 11:33pm

Kringas, a movie about two gay men went from small release to wide release. It went on to win the Critics Choice and now the Golden Globe. No doubt it will win the Oscar. When the past few years have been a rough battle for the LGBT community, it is truly a wonderful day when a beautiful film about two men in love wins such a prestigious award.

EDIT:

"When the past few years have been an ESPECIALLY rough battle..."

Updated On: 1/16/06 at 11:33 PM

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 1/16/06 at 11:35pm

the past few years.

[Kringas]

Posted: 1/16/06 at 11:38pm

Ah, you had me until the words "beautiful movie."

[iluvtheatertrash]

Posted: 1/16/06 at 11:40pm

papa, yes, I know it's always been rough, but I was making a reference to how they've been extra trying lately. Am I wrong in saying that they've been more trying recently than at other times?

Kringas, in my opinion, it is a beautiful yet flawed film. I didn't notice the flaws until my second viewing, but I do see them. Yes, they're apparent. But instead of bashing it, why don't you appreciate the good it has brought about?

[BobbyBubby]

Posted: 1/16/06 at 11:46pm

THanks for spoiling the awards show for those of us on the West Coast.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 1/16/06 at 11:46pm

"they've been extra trying lately."

Really? How the hell old are you? Just so I understand your point of reference. You DO realize that in the "past few years" one state has had perfectly legal marriage for gay men and lesbians? Another has added civil unions? All over the world countries are granting equality to gay men and lesbians.

How on earth can a movie that is "specifically about a time and a place and a specific story of specifically closeted gay men" be "good for the community" in general?

PLEASE explain that. "The Birdcage" made four times as much money as Brokeback ten years ago and it told the same story of tolerance and love and the construction of family and NOBODY HAD TO DIE. Oh, sorry, it committed the egregious sin of having some sissies in it.

My bad.

Updated On: 1/16/06 at 11:46 PM

[BobbyBubby]

Posted: 1/16/06 at 11:46pm

THanks for spoiling the awards show for those of us on the West Coast.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 1/16/06 at 11:46pm

yeah, kringas, i told you about the transformative powers of the film before and you just sat there with your fingers in your ears humming (quite loudly i might add) the theme to the magnificent seven and sipping sangria.

am i wrong in saying that they've been more trying recently than at other times?

oh, i can think of some worse times.

[BlueWizard]

Posted: 1/16/06 at 11:48pm

Then you misread, Kringas. He wrote, "beautiful film."

I don't think the gay "community" well ever feel happy with anything that is embraced by the larger culture. I hated Sean Hayes' smugness when he cracked that cowboy joke (you could hear the wave of groans in the audience). As if he's the one to talk, having done so little for the gay rights movement. He won't even come out of the closet.

I DID notice that not once did the telecast mention that BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN's protagonists were gay. Lots of euphemisms were thrown around, but if you just watched the telecast you'd have no idea what the movie was about. But no matter: with these wins, people will want to see the movie, and they'll be reminded that there indeed are gay men living in rural America.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 1/16/06 at 11:49pm

Yeah, you're wrong trash.

Don't pick it up.

[Kringas]

Posted: 1/16/06 at 11:49pm

What is Magnificent Seven? Is that an orgy porn?

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 1/16/06 at 11:53pm

BW, have you seen the BM commercials? Jake and Heath are never shown making eye contact but all scenes that can be construed as sexual between the guys and their spouses are featured prominently. Perhaps the way the movie was spoken of on the telecast is the powers-that-be's desire for this not to be seen as a "gay" cowboy movie but rather a "love" cowboy movie. In which the gay guy dies.

[iluvtheatertrash]

Posted: 1/16/06 at 11:53pm

Allright, allright. Jesus H. Christ.

Why is it that everytime I post anything gay related I wind up getting hollered at on these boards? When, in all actuality, I've said nothing terrible.

Yes, I know things were bad in the past. But I wasn't around for them. I'm 19. For me, hearing about gay marriage constantly on the news, being harassed at a Pennsylvanian college, unsuccessfully starting a GSA because the faculty didn't approve because the GLBT community was "making too much of a fuss" in the news.... I mean - for ME, it's been rough.

So for me, this means a lot. I come from a homophobic family. Hearing my mother admit that "it's nice to see something like that win" REALLY meant a lot to me.

So, for all of you queens out there who were THERE, who were a part of Stonewall, who saw the REALLY bad stuff - give me a break. If I could've been there, I would have. But instead, I've taken punches to the face and kicks to the stomach (literally and figuratively) and I've taken harassing messages on my dorm white board and I've taken the administration's B.S.

And then, I went right back out at midnight, covered the administration building in pink triangles and rainbows. I bought pink sidewalk chalk and covered the campus sidewalks in triangles and rainbows. With the rest of the "underground" GSA members.

We might not have been there 30-40-50-however many years ago, but we've done our part now.

Stop discrediting us just because we're too young to have been there for Stonewall. Because frankly? It only makes you all seem like whiney, bitter people. Be proud of what you did and support the youth now instead of shutting them out.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 1/16/06 at 11:57pm

wait, who sounds whiny?

[iluvtheatertrash]

Posted: 1/16/06 at 11:58pm

It's funny how out of everything I said, that's what you took from it.

Signing off to get some sleep. Goodnight.

Updated On: 1/17/06 at 11:58 PM

[BlueWizard]

Posted: 1/17/06 at 12:03am

BW, have you seen the BM commercials? Jake and Heath are never shown making eye contact but all scenes that can be construed as sexual between the guys and their spouses are featured prominently.

I'm not so sure. Like the "For Your Consideration" adverts in Variety, the emphasis is more on the men's marriages (and eventualy fallout) than any sexual tension between two guys. All you see in the commercials is sheep and the Albertan landscape.

Again, I stress: if BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN had been made by Gus Vant Sant starring Rupert Everett, it'd be hailed as a groundbreaking work exposing the homosexual culture of rural America.

Updated On: 1/17/06 at 12:03 AM

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 1/17/06 at 12:08am

I was talking about the commercials. I mentioned the commercials. COMMERCIALS is what I said.

I'm sure the Variety ads are different because people need to be told how brave the actors were and voters need to feel good about themselves for acknowledging their bravery.

Oh, and basically what you said Trash, is why BM has been good for you. I'm glad you feel validated by your mom because of what she said about the Golden Globe win.

Still, you have yet to point out how it is good "for the community," which is all we keep hearing without any demonstration of same.

Updated On: 1/17/06 at 12:08 AM