Brokeback Mountain won and it just seemed so ordinary- Page 3

[iluvtheatertrash]

Posted: 1/17/06 at 12:10am

Before I sign off--

I wanted to note that I have seen quite a few commercials with the first kissing scene that is in the film.

[BlueWizard]

Posted: 1/17/06 at 12:10am

I was talking about the commercials too, Namo. And LIKE the Variety adverts, they steer clear away from the homosexual love affair that is at the centre of the film. Instead, they showcase images of the sweeping, epic setting and two marriages.

[BlueWizard]

Posted: 1/17/06 at 12:11am

I wanted to note that I have seen quite a few commercials with the first kissing scene that is in the film.

Hmmm, I haven't caught that commercial yet.

[Luscious]

Posted: 1/17/06 at 12:12am

Keep fighting the good fight, iluv. You have every right to feel proud about Brokeback's win. I do, as well, and I'm a long way from 19. And don't let Namo's and Papa's asinine remarks get to you. They're both cut from the same cloth. They live to mock, ridicule, provoke, and generally disrespect the opinions and feelings of others. It's just what they do.

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[FindingNamo]

Posted: 1/17/06 at 12:14am

Not if they can back those things up, Lush. Speaking for myself.

Again, still haven't heard any ways in which this Golden Globe win is "good for the community." Still waiting.

After all, Trash is sick of hearing about gay marriage because the success in Massachusetts is used against others, a classic backlash. So, please, TELL us how this award is going to be good for the community in general. DO TELL.

[iluvtheatertrash]

Posted: 1/17/06 at 12:14am

Thank you, Luscious. I really appreciate that.

You seem to forget, Namo, that quite a bit of the population are teenage boys who are currently in the same position I am. I'm sorry if you don't consider us part of the community yet. But wake up - you should.

[iluvtheatertrash]

Posted: 1/17/06 at 12:16am

Namo, a MAJOR award was just given to a woman playing a transgendered male. A MAJOR award was just given to a film about two gay men.

Instead of brushing these films under the rug, they have been praised. OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

How in God's name is that NOT good for the community?

[BlueWizard]

Posted: 1/17/06 at 12:18am

From what I've gathered, Namo thinks the only people who belong in the gay community are happy, secure individuals coupled in blissful harmony on a farm somewhere, or urban fairy queens who clean out straight people's closets.

[iluvtheatertrash]

Posted: 1/17/06 at 12:20am

So true, BlueWizard.

He seems to miss the part of the film that takes place in 1960's Wyoming. Or wait - isn't that all of it?

Curious, Namo - were you out, living in the 1960's, in Wyoming, while married with kids? I'm sure it would greatly change your perspective.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 1/17/06 at 12:20am

in my case, i get a bad taste in my mouth hearing someone point out how much worse it's been the last few years for the glbt community and when challenged on it basically admits that it's been rough for them. so one person now carries the flag for the whole community? is it heavy, trash? i mean really, not to discount your personal suffering, but to say that the last few years have been harder for everyone is a tad bit selfish isn't it?

but namo and i are most definitely not cut from the same cloth. he's denim, i'm plaid.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 1/17/06 at 12:21am

No one has commented on the fact that S. Epatha Merkerson seems to have thanked her lesbian lover?

Or did I overinterpret her calling the woman she was hugging before the award was announced her "rock"?

[iluvtheatertrash]

Posted: 1/17/06 at 12:22am

Papa, I repeatedly said that I understood where you came from AND I apologized for my poor judgement on that.

I think it's time that you look at the GLBT youth and see where we are coming from. And, if somewhere in you there is the ability to admit that you were wrong, submit in an apology.

[iluvtheatertrash]

Posted: 1/17/06 at 12:22am

PalJoey -- you know, I was wondering the same thing. But she could've been anyone to Merkerson. Is she a lesbian? I've never heard if she was or wasn't so I tried not to assume...

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 1/17/06 at 12:27am

oh, not me, trash. i'm not even gay.

just where did you apologize? was it here:

so, for all of you queens out there who were there, who were a part of stonewall, who saw the really bad stuff - give me a break.

no? oh maybe it was this:

because frankly? it only makes you all seem like whiney, bitter people.

[luvtheEmcee]

Posted: 1/17/06 at 12:27am

S. Epatha's last thank-you? I thought it was a family member, or something. For some reason I thought she was married, actually.

[harris007]

Posted: 1/17/06 at 12:29am

all i have to say is after i saw this movie, and saw i was like the only one not crying after. i thought, now i know why i really dont date, i dont have to put up with any of that crap.

[Kringas]

Posted: 1/17/06 at 12:33am

Sandra Oh called a woman her rock, but she's got a husband.

[Jane2]

Posted: 1/17/06 at 12:34am

Can I ask you gay guys a question? thanks. Let's say the two leads were average to underaverage looking guys instead of two gorgeous screen idols. Do you think the effect would have been different?

[PalJoey]

Posted: 1/17/06 at 12:34am

Trash--that seems to be the clear implication.

I wish some attention would be paid to S. Epatha Merkerson's possible coming out by the bitter queen and the obsessed-by-gays "str8" man who argue in this thread so articulately but monotonously. How about it, ladies? What do you girls think S. Epatha meant?

[BlueWizard]

Posted: 1/17/06 at 12:36am

He seems to miss the part of the film that takes place in 1960's Wyoming. Or wait - isn't that all of it?

To be fair, the film takes place over twenty years between 1963 and 1983. But you're right: the gay rights movement hadn't cleared a path into Wyoming yet (nor has it really, still).

All this backlash seems to be predicated on the belief that, in order for a gay-"themed" work to be progressive, it must show a positive representation of gay lives. I see the value of this, but I don't agree it's the ONLY way to fight the good fight. BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN is an argument against the closet, by showing the consequences of burying oneself in a lie. If Ennis and Jack really did buy a farm and lived a perfect life together, many would accuse the film of being naive, and also disregard it as simplistic: we wouldn't get the examination of regret and denial, nor would the condemnation against a repressive culture be as pointed.

[luvtheEmcee]

Posted: 1/17/06 at 12:37am

Well said, BlueWizard. I once again agree.

[BlueWizard]

Posted: 1/17/06 at 12:38am

Can I ask you gay guys a question? thanks. Let's say the two leads were average to underaverage looking guys instead of two gorgeous screen idols. Do you think the effect would have been different?

I guess it would be the same answer as, if CASABLANCA, GONE WITH THE WIND or TITANIC (three very traditional romances) starred an ugly guy and an overweight girl, would the effect have been different?

[Jane2]

Posted: 1/17/06 at 12:44am

I don't think that's a good analogy. My point was this-if "regular" average looking guys were the leads, the naive people across this country might relate more to the fact that anyone that they know and love could very well be gay. I'm just wondering if having two gorgeous guys as the leads puts too much of a distance between reality and a film. I don't think Casablanca, Titanic or Gone With the Wind had a similar agenda as BM.

[BlueWizard]

Posted: 1/17/06 at 12:58am

Oh! -- sorry, I thought your argument was proceeding in the opposite direction, to ask whether the film would be embraced as it has been.

If the leads were more "regular," I don't know if the movie would be more universal, or less. They could possibly be seen as average Joes, but it's still filmic convention to cast good-looking actors in leads because (apparently) moviegoers like to sympathize with people who look appealing.

(ETA: edited for punctuation.)

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[vbplayer]

Posted: 1/17/06 at 1:09am

...and the debate goes on. What is with this film that makes people feel the need to completely bash it or support it? It's a film for Ch$%#t sake. It not going to change the world, nor the way a percentage of the world feels about the gay community. It is a small step "out" there sure, but none the less a small step. My question is, when did the gay community forget the meaning of the word 'community'?