CCM application now up

[BwayTheatre11]

Posted: 9/1/05 at 10:28am

http://www.ccm.uc.edu/admissions/application.aspx

[BroadwayBettini2]

Posted: 9/1/05 at 3:43pm

Go Apply then ;P

[BwayTheatre11]

Posted: 9/2/05 at 10:35am

I plan on it, thanks...it takes a little more than "just apply."

[Jwei123]

Posted: 9/2/05 at 3:12pm

BT11- good luck with your ccm application/ interview, etc!

[BwayTheatre11]

Posted: 9/2/05 at 5:37pm

Thanks, Jwei. And good luck to you with all of your auditions! We can be each other's support "group."

[BwayTheatre11]

Posted: 9/2/05 at 10:20pm

Hmmm, you now have to request an application.

[Mr. Tuttle]

Posted: 9/4/05 at 1:07am

Make sure you read that really helpful pamphlet they send out. You know the one..
"Take a good look in the mirror...Can you loose some weight... Maybe you shouldn't have that Double Whopper.... Maybe you should join a gym.... Maybe you should see a dentist"

That's one hell of a quality institution. Go Cookie Cutters!

Updated On: 9/4/05 at 01:07 AM

[BwayTheatre11]

Posted: 9/4/05 at 12:21pm

It works!

There is no way I would go there for musical theatre...

[Mr. Tuttle]

Posted: 9/4/05 at 8:26pm

Good for you. Keep your self esteem.

[whatyouown223]

Posted: 9/4/05 at 10:04pm

If it's good training, it's good training...if you're offended by the pamphlets then the school obviously isn't a good choice for you.

[Mr. Tuttle]

Posted: 9/5/05 at 12:34am

Wow. Congrats for winning the most ignorant statement.

Their pamphlet tells you what they want and you can only get their training by being what they want.

So I guess becoming a trained bulimic is ok with you.

I hope you stay far away from theater.

[withoutlove78]

Posted: 9/5/05 at 1:16am

if you're not what they want, BIG DEAL...if you don't want to go there or if you aren't right for it (not that i'm saying it's ok to tell some people they need to change) then just don't...but there is no way to deny the fact that it's one of the best theatre schools in the country. i hope you stay far away from theatre if you think that everyone is gonna get away with being whatever size they want. if they feel comfortable with it then that's great and they can be character actors, but for the most part, you HAVE to be thin/in shape to be a leading man or woman on broadway...and especially to be a chorus dancer (and that's where most people start out anyway) please don't be so naive. this is a tough business and whether you like it or not, it IS about size and looks. it's just the way it is, as much as i would like it if that weren't the case...

[mwjr16]

Posted: 9/5/05 at 1:59am

Their theory is very blunt but how many roles are there on broadway for actors that aren't fit or at least in good shape. besides tracy? Actors that are the age of a college student, 18 to 25?

CCM wants there students to start working the minute they graduate. Not saying the Mama Rose couldn't have a few extra pounds on her, but you have to be at least in your late 30's to play Mama Rose. A graduate of CCM, Lisa Howard(Spelling Bee) has matured in her shape but she is much older then the incoming freshman.
Updated On: 9/5/05 at 01:59 AM

[Mr. Tuttle]

Posted: 9/5/05 at 12:13pm

So only thin people can work. Only pretty people can work.

Boy..I truly feel said for these two young women who have no self esteem or the ability to be who they are.

I'll make sure to tell Marissa and Dan Folgler this the next time I see them.

[withoutlove78]

Posted: 9/5/05 at 12:23pm

no one said ONLY pretty and thin people can work. but FOR THE MOST PART, you do not get leads as soon as you start auditioning, so it is likely that you will begin as chorus or swing (if you even get that lucky!) and do you think they're going to hire a 200 lb. girl? i don't think so. it's tough to accept, but that is just the way this industry works. you just seem a little bitter. were you rejected from there? is that why you're so upset that other people might wanna go there?

[cindy013]

Posted: 9/5/05 at 12:53pm

Ok, I agree. I can see where some people could take offense to what CCM says, but honestly, it's true. I'm not saying this to dis anyone who's on the bigger side, I personally want to get some weight off before I audition in the fall, but it IS the reality of the business. Hey, I wish it weren't the case too, I'd eat a lot more chocolate and italian food(:P)...but it's the field we're choosing to go in and like anything you do in life there are some sacrifices. Personally I don't think you have to never eat fast food and be an anorexic/bulemic to be successful, just maintain a HEALTHY weight for yourself. Just try and be "in shape" and don't overeat all the time. I'm not directing this at anyone in particular, I just wanted to give my opinion on this. You can complain about how CCM is unfair in saying that, but frankly I just consider them to be saying what is in fact a harsh truth of the business. If 2 people audition for a part that they both fit and have great voices for, but one weighs 200lbs and the other weighs 130, which one will they hire? I wouldn't let what CCM says discourage myself totally from auditioning there unless I felt I'd totally hate the whole program because of that statement. No one can force you to lose weight if you don't want to, but unfortunately, in this field, your chances of success will most likely be way less than those willing to go the extra effort (to get IN SHAPE, not become anorexic...) If you only want to play Tracy, fine, but you don't see Tracy-sized people in other shows doing kicklines or tap dancing up stairs or anything. Unforunately 90% of the time that's the case with theatre. Good luck.

Updated On: 9/5/05 at 12:53 PM

[Mr. Tuttle]

Posted: 9/5/05 at 3:46pm

Withoutove...apparently love isn't the only thing you are without. I happened to go to a real music school where they teach you to be who you and that you don't need to throw up your lunch everyday to get a job. Perhaps you should see a professional show someday and see the varying type of people who get cast. And as someone who is also on the other side of the casting table, the last thing I need to see are 40 80 lbs girls who were forced to believe that you must be thin and you must be pretty to succeed in this business. And..yes..that is what you are saying.

Unfortunately Cindy, there are people who will force you to believe that and one of their names is CCM. They will weigh you and tell you you are fat. And then they will cut you your freshmen year and tell you you can't make it. I've cast about 20 of these "cuts" in shows and mind games this "university" plays is disgusting. And maybe you should go see "the Producers" where we have a rather chubby guy in the tapping chorus. And check out "Mama Mia"..not all size 4. The stage is not the "OC"...audiences want to see real people. Not fake, glossy, cookie cutters with eating disorders. As I presented above with my Tony winning examples, there is a place for everyone in theater. It is an unfortunate situation that we have conditioned and brain washed younger performers to think that the only way to achieve success in this buisiness is by putting a finger down their throat.

[mwjr16]

Posted: 9/5/05 at 4:03pm

This is exactly what they say before you audition:
"Make sure your clothes are appropriate both for your personality and for the institution to which you are applying. It may be hard, but take a long, objective look at yourself in a mirror and assess what you see. Decide on your best physical presentation.

If you need to lose weight or gain muscle, begin as soon as possible — but please do it safely.

Visit the dentist, invest in a new hairstyle, pamper your complexion, learn the fundamentals of make-up, get in shape, start working out or jogging. Exercise your mind. Take a dance class or a yoga class or just get some sleep! Eat well and pass on the double whoppers with cheese. Present yourself as a prospective student who will be fun to teach and highly employable after graduation."

Just in case anyone wanted to know. When I auditioned i was about 15 to 20 pounds overweight and I still got accepted and when I went to orientation, not all of the freshmen or upper classmen were like sticks. They want you to be in shape, that's all but it is not like they won't accecpt you if you aren't at peek physical appearance.




Updated On: 9/5/05 at 04:03 PM

[withoutlove78]

Posted: 9/5/05 at 4:26pm

tuttle, you are insane. SURE, if you wanna play tracy for the next ten years go for it, but like i said FOR THE MOST PART, you do need to be in shape. i have seen PLENTY of professional shows, and yes, there are the occasional heavier set people, but they are mostly playing character parts. most graduates will not start out playing lead character roles, so they are going to need to be in shape because they will most likely be playing chorus parts, which USUALLY require a fit body (don't try to tell me that every single person EVER needs to be thin to get a part) but there is absolutely no way you or anyone can deny that to maintain stamina in a show you're doing every single day and sometimes twice, you need to be healthy. if you didn't get in, let it go...let other people succeed. they say nothing about throwing up to get skinny. if someone ends up going there and they tell them that, THEN would be the time to leave...but you are just trying to discourage people from going because of what SEEMS like a bad experience and bitter past with them. if people want to go and they get accepted, that is their choice, if they don't want to go, then fine...but stop trying to tell people not to apply there just because YOU disagree with what they say. i'm sorry to say, but your opinion is not the only one that matters.

[thetheatrekook]

Posted: 9/5/05 at 5:40pm

but there are "fat" people who are healthy and "skinny" people who are in poor health. you can't (solely) assess someone's health on their weight. so asking someone to lose weight won't necessarily make them "healthier." it's fine to ask perfomers to be healthy, as you said, the stamina required to perform a show 8 times a week is great, but just asking someone to "pass on that double whopper" or whatever that ridiculous quote is, is plain rude and unneccessary. stressing the importance of health can be conveyed in a much less nasty, snobbish way.

[Mr. Tuttle]

Posted: 9/5/05 at 5:49pm

The brochure CCM sends out, flat out, is an insult to those who desire to work in a professional environment that Cookie Cutter Machine claims to be a part of. If it is such an industry standard, why don't you see other leading musical theater schools such as U of Michigan, NYU, OCU, and BoCo send it out? Why don't they offer such "helpful" tips that CCM is "generous" enough to offer?

I tell you why...cause these other programs have a grasp on reality. They see people on stage in all shapes and sizes...in all colors and backgrounds. These other programs, unlike CCM, see the potential in each student. They don't measure talent or potential success with a weight scale.

It now is obvious that you, being part of the Cookie Machine, have a set, brain washed view of this business. And that's fine. I see it all the time from CCM'ers who believe they are gifts of god to the musical theater world.

And one day...reality will set in and you'll realize. But then, it will be too late.

[withoutlove78]

Posted: 9/5/05 at 5:54pm

i don't think it's unnecessary to ask someone to pass on a double whopper, because it's common knowledge that that's unhealthy, and if you don't know that then there's something wrong. of course, one every once in a while is ok. i didn't say you had to be skinny to be in shape, i just think it is essential that you are healthy. in most cases, "fat" people are not healthy. of course you can be a little overweight and still be healthy, but even any doctor will tell you that if you are overweight for your height, you will be healthier if you drop a few pounds. the bottom line is, CCM is realistic, and they understand that to start out in this business and maintain a career, you do need to be of a healthy weight and relatively good looking. Mr Tuttle--you used an example from Hairspray, being Marissa playing Tracy...you and i both know very well that Tracy is a character actress's part. if you want to play someone like Link, Raoul, Fiyero, etc...then you're gonna have to be in shape and look pretty good.

[withoutlove78]

Posted: 9/5/05 at 5:57pm

oh, you know...your post would make a lot of sense if i actually went to CCM...

and by the way, CCM produces WAY more successful actors than any other school in the country.

[BwayTheatre11]

Posted: 9/5/05 at 6:29pm

I am actually interested in the school and not how many professionals it has produced. Great faculty, facilities, etc. Very impressed when I visited in April.

Updated On: 9/5/05 at 06:29 PM

[Aigoo]

Posted: 9/5/05 at 6:32pm

Mr. Tuttle-

I don't think CCM's brochure is necessarily telling young auditionees to be as skinny as can be. But rather, they want the upcoming students to be at their peak physical appearance. Assess yourself and what you see in yourself and change yourself as you see fit. I don't think their comment about "visiting the dentist" is really insinuating "if you have an ugly smile, you'll never get into our school", but rather, "if your teeth aren't looking the greatest in their lifetime, why don't you just get them checked out?" The way that you present what they say is a lot different than what they're actually putting in context.

Updated On: 9/5/05 at 06:32 PM