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not when he can be tied to an preacher who's made his bones playing to the black nationalist movement. had he avoided this landmine and managed to keep his wife muzzled he'd have a decent shot in the fall. but then, had he not been a member of this church he never would have gotten to where he is.

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"this is about a twenty-year relationship with a man. it's not about religion. it's not about faith. it's not about a church. it's not about white folks who don't get the black experience. it's about choosing to spend over twenty years cheering on a man who preaches divisive racial rhetoric that serves only to promote victimhood, teach hatred and separate people"

So if this is true then why did it not hurt previous presidents(and Nominee McCain) that had ties to Falwell, Robertson, Graham? All of them preach hate about homosexuality, feminism, and catholicism. They all counseled POTUS.....If you are going to bring up the whole character issue also Hilary is still married to a man that lied to us and committed perjury....so by association she is guilty as well and shares his belief that he did nothing wrong in committing this crime...so according to what you believe of Obama, Hilary in tying herself with this man, her husband, for 30 some years, she must be guilty of perjury herself

This elections should be about issues such as the Iraq war, education, poverty, economics....instead we are slinging mud at each other while this country goes in the crapper.

If people were to get elected based on "character" then we would have no elected officials. Is Obama a perfect human being....no. Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, all had character flaws..... Is there still racial tension in this country, you bet. Come down to where I teach...75% of our district is black, we are a low income school district, everything that is wrong with our district goes back to racial tension. I have students telling me that no matter what they do they won't be able to get ahead because they are black....I have white students tell me no matter what the do they won't be able to get ahead because they are poor and can't afford college, but if they were black they would get scholarships...things he said in that speech were true....people are pissed and we need to open a dialogue about it.

But I am sure you will now say that I refuse to look at the heart of the matter....well I do look at the heart of the matter...it is issues that we should be discussing....so look at what each canidate has said about policies and pick that way...

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Violet - At least in my mind there is a difference between seeking out someone endorsement for political gain and sitting in a church for half of your life with a minister's whose words can be used to paint a very ugly picture.

It seems more real when it is your personal church that is associated with the comments, as opposed to a church that represents a voting block.

I dunno, maybe you could argue that it is worse to chase the endorsement of a hate-monger, but that seems more like playing politics, and leads one not to think that the candidate necessarily endorses the words and comments to the same extent as if you sit in the pew as a member, and donate tens of thousands of dollars to the church.

I still think Obama can get past this - the task of winning in November just became much more difficult.

Outside of Papa, I think most of the cynicism for Obama on this board clearly comes from Hillaristas. I don't see a problem with supporting her but not at the sake of the party. Her negative work in Ohio is damaged Obama in ways that hurt the unity in the party.

The people would care enough about this preacher crap were not going to vote for a democrat anyway. The only thing I'm worried about at this point is Hillary running out the clock here which she is doing.

so it comes back to: nominate bammy or else, democrats!

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me or mejusthatejewsgaysandmyselfmostofall, taz?

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the african-american community will be livid if she gets the nom, taz. bammy's carrying that vote by 90% in some places. if the nomination is "stolen" from him by whitey, fuhgettaboudit.

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Hillary will be the nominee and the next president.

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She's pulling ahead and his lead was slim before anyway.
It's not like he has 70% of the dems, it's closer to 52% to 48%.

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Taz unfortunately these polls don't matter at this point. The delegates need to match the super delegates otherwise you're going to have outrage and if this preacher mess doesn't bring down Obama (and it hasn't thus far) he will move on. Even if he loses PA and probably will, he will keep moving.

I think as a superdelegate I would look at something very superficial and that is how quickly Hillary Clinton was caught up to and overcome by a black man during this election. Obama is a performer in this race, time and time again.

I know, I know the media is painting this as this horse race, but the math does NOT ADD up for Hillary and it wont.

Well to be honest, the math can't be added yet b/c the supes can and do change their votes. At the convention they will be told who to support by the top dems. This Obama mess isn't really about how it affects him in the democratic race, it's about how it will affect him in the general election.
And I don't think it's going to blow over anytime soon b/c he didn't sever his ties to Wright which was the only smart thing to do politically. He explained. And while that may seem noble, it doesn't win elections.

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Updated On: 3/20/08 at 11:42 AM

bush took that in 2004 i believe.

you man like iowa, south carolina, alabama, alaska, colorado, georgia, idaho, kansas, missouri, north dakota, utah, louisiana, nebraska, virginia, wyoming and mississippi? shall we nullify those as well since they voted for bush? that would seem to pretty much cripple bammy's chances, huh?

it's one thing to be a zealot and a liar, it's another to be a moron.

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Updated On: 3/20/08 at 11:51 AM

yeah. in september.

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