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#26

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Do you really think any one of those actors would really come out and denounce the directors actions? That would be suicide, career wise, and for the film itself. Who's gonna go see a movie in which the actors think its crap? Ofcourse we didn't hear anything about Anthony, or Adam, or Idina, or Jesse, or Wilson, or Taye or Tracie or Rosario not liking it. They would have to be stupid to voice an opinion like that at this time.
when ducks grow thumbs then maybe my opinion will change.
#27

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but obviously they knew who Chris was and what kind of work he does. If they didn't have faith that Chris wouold make the movie work, the cast would have said No i nthe first place.
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#28

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My problem, everything, is that Chris Colombus was the wrong choice. From the beginning I dreaded the decision to hire him. He is a hack film maker. Was I the only one that saw the travesty he commited in his direction of Chamber of Secrets?

That right there should have been enough for him to never be hired to adapt source material from another medium.
when ducks grow thumbs then maybe my opinion will change.
#29

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They've all said on numerous occasions that they did not want to be part of this unless they could trust that it was going to be done right. I've heard it said both on AND off the record that despite minor quibbles with certain things, they are *extremely* proud of it. So hate if you so choose, but don't accuse them of what you don't know, simply because it suits your point of view. They wouldn't have gone through with this if they didn't trust him; Jonathan's family wouldn't have allowed it to happen. Again, I don't care if you disagree, but I think it's highly presumptious to act like a spoiled child and speak to harshly out against that.
A work of art is an invitation to love.

Updated On: 12/1/05 at 05:04 PM

#30

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"Again, I don't care if you disagree, but I think it's highly presumptious to act like a spoiled child and speak to harshly out against that."

Yes emcee, god forbid i have a negative opinion of your beloved film.

And I made no accusations I just said, that because we haven't heard anything, isn't proof of ****. Because no actor, if they did in fact think the movie was bad, would be dumb enough, if they wanted to continue working, and not want the movie to fail, to speak out with their negative views of the film or film makers.


Who's the presumptious one now?
when ducks grow thumbs then maybe my opinion will change.
#31

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As I've said before, I didn't miss anything. I hadn't heard the OBC in so long to know what was missing. Do I love those things that are missing having revisited my OBC? Yes. Would I have enjoyed seeing them in the film? Yes. But, I'm not going to whip myself day and night because of the cuts.

Again--an adaptation is an adaptation, not a recreation.
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#32

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I know he was trying to explain why and I semi understand his rasoning, but not really. It is bs....I mean scenes being "too strong" that is crap. In the end of the movie (end being without you on) the only thing that was not emotion for me was Your Eyes...mostly because you did not see them really go their seperate ways and see how emotion it was for both of them. If it was a time thing I would understand the cut of Halloween, but it wasn't. So yea he "explained" but I still dont buy it

And am I the only one who noticed that you cant make a comment on it but you CAN comment on the other questions asked...I think he did that one on purpose too
#33

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ZONEFACE, twisting my words doesn't make you look any better, or give your argument more validity -- it is, again, presumptious -- don't do it. It's a cop-out of an argument tactic. How many times have I stated that you're totally free to disagree with me? Read carefully. Go ahead, hate the film. Has no bearing on me. Just don't go on jabbering with false information. This has nothing to do with me taking offense to the fact that you didn't like the movie, or whatever. I don't. I believe in agreeing to disagree. It has to do with the fact that you're making things up, and still going on about them like they're absolute truth.

No actor would say they disliked something they did; this is probably true. In most cases. There are cases in which it hasn't held true, but that's moot. HOWEVER, knowing what you know about Rent, don't you have any trust whatsoever in the notion that they wouldn't have been okay with this if they didn't trust Chris? And you know what? You can think that the choices were wrong and terrible; legions of Rent fans can think those cuts were made in total blasphemy; but that doesn't mean that the cast does not and can not agree with, or at least see where their director was coming from. That makes sense, I think.

Again--an adaptation is an adaptation, not a recreation.

Exactly.
A work of art is an invitation to love.

Updated On: 12/1/05 at 05:14 PM

#34

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Emcee? I still fail to see where i was making false statments, and acussing me of twisting your words? Um what the ****?

and also, have you ever trusted someone Emcee, and realized, at time when it was too late to stop doing something involving them, your trust was misplaced in them? cause that happens, pretty often. I know there have been quite a few people I have trusted (especially in theatre) who have turned out to not have the best interest of the material, and the production in mind, or who just turned out to be bad at what they do, and sometimes, it was too late for me to stop my involvment.


when ducks grow thumbs then maybe my opinion will change.
#35

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an adaptation is an adaptation not a recreation.
~ this is true
sometimes change is good when it makes some sort of sense even to the point of improving the original material
~ i feel the changes made in adapting RENT to the screen hurt more than it helped, but that's just my opinion
it made for very uneven film
~ someone who sees this piece for the first time should get everything and understand the dynamics goin on within the story and between those character
you don't get that from this film
~ my boyfriend had sooo many questions after the film because he just didn't get alot of it
when i pointed out the stuff that *was* cut it then started to make sense to him


Updated On: 12/1/05 at 05:25 PM

#36

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I am sorry if I misunderstood, but aren't you basically saying that you disbelieve the notion that the cast trusted Columbus? Just because you haven't *heard it* does not mean that there were small things they were unhappy with. But I think it's becoming ridiculous to keep drilling and drilling that they must be lying when they say they're proud of it.

You twisted my words in that you turn this into it being about you disliking my "beloved" film. And like I keep saying, to each his own. I'm sorry that you didn't like it, but that is your opinion, to which you are entitled. I'm not trying to change your mind or make you like the movie, but it's silly to me to insist what you think true when you've not information, but only speculation with which to back it up.

Yes. I've trusted people. My ability to trust is disgustingly large; and for it I've been let down. That's why I fought so hard for this movie. Very, very early on, someone involved gained my trust. And that trust conditioned me to be open and accepting to whatever we were given. I got so deep into it, that even when I was scared out of my pants that it wouldn't work, I couldn't stop -- I couldn't turn around and tell everyone that maybe I'd been wrong all along. This is all about trusting people; and like I said, I'm sorry that you feel Columbus broke yours.

ETA -- Marquise, a similar thing happened with my mom. I asked her if anything confused her, and she said not really; but then when I began to mention to her some of the cuts that had been made, she went "yeah, you know, I didn't really get that." She got the basics, and understood everything. It was interesting to me that until brought up, she found no quibbles with those parts -- I had to push for them.
A work of art is an invitation to love.

Updated On: 12/1/05 at 05:25 PM

#37

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in my case i didn't have to push for them
~ they were just too obvious
#38

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yes emcee, you did misunderstand. I wasnt saying simply because we haven't heard anything that we can't trust chris. I was simply stating that just because we haven't heard anyhting, doesn't mean any of the actors don't have those negative opinions. It simply means, that if one (or more) of them does, they haven't expressed it. That is all. Just because something isn't said, doesn't mean it isn't thought. Plain and simple. I'm not saying any of them definately think it, I would have no way of knowing that, because I am neither one of the actors nor a confidant of one of the actors. I was simply putting a different theory out there.


when ducks grow thumbs then maybe my opinion will change.
#39

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I think my mom just didn't like it enough to look for problems, Marquise. re: Chris Columbus Addresses She was really lukewarm about the whole thing. Trying to get her to talk about it was a bit like pulling teeth.

Zoneface, fine. But that's all it is -- a theory. One that I think is a bit far-fetched, but whatever. If this is about trust, I trust that they trusted Columbus -- and that I know, off the record, that they're not blindly thinking the film is perfect, or that there wasn't disappointment about the cuts. All I'm saying is that if we're theorizing, you know, don't be so sweeping about it. Think first about the information that you may not have. It's silly to assume they all think it's perfect and the best movie ever -- but that doesn't mean it's spin when they say they're proud of it.

My head hurts!
A work of art is an invitation to love.
#40

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:: gives emcee an ice bag ::

~ my boyfriend liked it more than i did
he was suprised i didn't like it because he's had to put up all these months with me and my "rent is being made into a film" obsession.
~ not to mention my love for rosario and me in front of the pc on BWW discussing it
i had more of a problem with the changes because i'm *closer* to the material
~ i guess it just comes down to the fact that i was expecting alot more than what i got because i truly believe this material could've been adapted so much better than it was for the screen.
~ to me it really was a let down
#41

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Well, I would see it a second time and then assess. With all that build up, the film could have hardly stood a chance of making you happy. Go back and see it for what it IS and see how you feel.

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Updated On: 12/1/05 at 05:43 PM

#42

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The reasoning behind cutting these scenes still makes zero sense to me.

Emcee, I understand what ZONEACE is saying. No actor is going to state, especially at this point in time, whether or not he or she has negative opinions on the film. They just won't. That's the case with every film. It's not an accusation so much as saying that the actors talking about what they approve of really doesn't prove anything.
#43

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mmm. Ice.

jrb, there's a lot of that "second time" sentiment about Rent. I'm still sort of curious as to why. I think maybe over time, it's easier to swallow that it's different, and all. *shrug*

I think this "an actor wouldn't say bad things" came up once before... and I know it's *uncommon* but it does happen. I think someone said it happened with Kate Winslet. So, there are honest actors out there. I simply don't happen to believe that all honesty is only true honest if its negativity. Like, a statement can only be honest and not full of sh*t if it's something bad. People seem to have lost the ability to believe that positive statements can, too, be honest ones. The actors saying they like it doesn't *prove* anything, but it also doesn't *dis*prove anything, now does it? re: Chris Columbus Addresses

And as far as his excuse not being good enough is concerned, I find it very, very difficult to so condemn Columbus and say that this idea of "too much emotion," and his statement about shutting down is stupid, when I've not *seen* the film with the cut material in it. I really just don't get how people can point fingers and say that his excuse isn't a good one when they haven't even SEEN the cut scenes. How do you know it's not a good reason if you didn't see the full film? You don't. None of us do. Wait until you do see it, then go into uproar.
A work of art is an invitation to love.

Updated On: 12/1/05 at 05:48 PM

#44

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jerby ~

ive seen the film three times
~ i don't think my opinion is going to change after having viewed this film three times in one week.
i am seeing this film for what is (for me at least)
~ a very flawed adaptation of one of my favorite shows
it has it's *moments* but *moments* does not a whole movie make.

EDIT: Again, I'm not negating anyone else's opinions on this film. I'm simply expressing my POV.


Updated On: 12/1/05 at 05:48 PM

#46

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I think one of my biggest problems with the film is that it felt more like a series of vignettes than a film. The dialogue and music didn't flow well enough from one number to the next and make me feel like I was experiencing one whole story. I'm also not sure if I liked how the movie looked, but I can't really put my finger on why that is.
"The gods who nurse this universe think little of mortals' cares. They sit in crowds on exclusive clouds and laugh at our love affairs. I might have had a real romance if they'd given me a chance. I loved him, but he didn't love me. I wanted him, but he didn't want me. Then the gods had a spree and indulged in another whim. Now he loves me, but I don't love him." - Cole Porter
#47

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Emotion being too strong still strikes me as being a really, really stupid reason to cut something, ESPECIALLY something as plot-critical as that.

I realize that he only figured this "problem" in the editing room, but as far as I'm concerned, he failed to make a coherent film. If the way they had filmed it was too overpowering, maybe they should have filmed it DIFFERENTLY.

And all this talk about "trusting Chris Columbus". I DID trust him, and look at what happened.

First time I saw it, I cried during Without You, I cried during I'll Cover You: reprise, I stopped crying during the first half of Goodbye, Love 'cause the way they handled it didn't really make a lot of sense to me, and then "What You Own" started and I snorted.

Derisively. And the entire film after that just fell apart in my eyes.

The film had it's good points. I basically enjoyed myself. I can't really begrudge the cast for enjoying the process, or the fact that it got made at all, and if for some reason they really enjoyed everything about it, then fine.

But Chris Columbus is a failure in my eyes, and the second half of Goodbye, Love is the tip of the iceberg as far as things that he did wrong where I'm concerned.

Updated On: 12/1/05 at 06:15 PM

#48

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I think everyone needs to just shut their yap.

Chris may be telling the truth or he may be full of it, we don't know, we weren't there and we haven't seen the film with the scenes in it.

Once the DVD comes out and you get a chance to view the scenes then we can have this argument, but until that time this entire discussion is just speculation.
"You just can't win. Ever. Look at the bright side, at least you are not stuck in First Wives Club: The Musical. That would really suck. " --Sueleen Gay
#49

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Time to put my 2 cents in.... : )

Yes, I was disappointed like everyone else when I saw that "Goodbye Love" and "Halloween" were cut. But.....everyone from the cast to the Larson family said they were thrilled at the way the movie turned out. Jonathans' parents, Al and Nan Larson, and his sister Julie have all said that Jonathan would love the way this movie turned out. I've also heard some of the cast say this is more like what Jonathan invisioned for his show than what is on Broadway.

Not every movie is going to be perfect - we are going to see flaws in them. I say, if you are a true RENT and/or Jonathan Larson fan, appreciate the movie for what it is, see the good in it and think of Jonathan with much gratitude whenever you watch it.

"Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the number of moments that take our breath away."

Updated On: 12/1/05 at 07:41 PM

#50

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You know what would be cool? Seeing Tracie performing "We're Okay!" just for kicks. They should film it then add it to the DVD.

Other thoughts:
I wonder if they ever filmed the April suicide scene and would it be on the DVD.

"Now I may not have much, but I have more determination than any man you're likely to meet." - Big Fish
"Misdirection. What the eyes see and the ears hear, the mind believes." - Swordfish

Updated On: 12/2/05 at 12:05 AM

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