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Updated On: 12/19/19 at 05:16 PM

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Updated On: 5/23/17 at 06:17 PM

Great posts Qolbinau! Very well spoken.

About the part: Muslims are mostly good people in spite of not because of their religion.

The problem here is that people are often indoctrinated and actually think that the religion is their identity. They think it is who they are (to a point of blowing themselves up in this case), and therefore react very confused and often violent to anyone who doubts their religion or gets in the way of that. Because it's like they feel their identity is affected. Kids in school need to learn that identity is not formed by religion in any way, shape or form. It is nothing more than a choice, a sideshow. It by no means defines a person.

Thinking for yourself/free thinking from different sides makes one a better person, laws and schools really need to address this. You can only form an opinion on for example homosexuality if you know what you are talking about and come up with good reasoning and look at it from multiple sides. This goes for any subject in life really. I know a few Muslim gay boys, when their parents found out they were gay they beat the **** out of them, one of them tried to kill himself and the parents of one boy sent him to a psychiatrist. Eventually the psychiatrist called the parents and focused on them. In my opinion those parents never found the truth of life, and are confused and indoctrinated. And in this case, by treating their boys like this, are doing a bad thing. Evil. That they tell themselves that their god is behind them only shows that the religion makes them bad people. Or at least they try to make something else responsible for their evil.

There is really no telling if they would behave more human/less evil without the religion, but at least they would have to come up with actual reasoning then. Instead of brushing away the responsibility.

And yes, this goes for Christians too.

Updated On: 5/23/17 at 08:11 PM

Agreed exactly with these points:



ErikJ972 said: "The attacker was born and raised in Britain. Most of these attacks have been carried out by home grown terrorists.

Instead of attacking Islam I think a better approach would be to stop and figure out what is making these young men feel so disenfranchised they strap bombs to themselves and blow up innocent people.

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SNAFU said: "
How many times have I argued this point over the past few years? We have to find what the trigger is that causes these young kids (most of them are in their 20's) to become radicalized. From what I have been told (I have not witnessed it myself) The Muslim community in Europe is treated differently then they are here. Well, that is until 9/11 and the recent courting of the Xeno and Islamiphobes by the *Trump campaign. Until we fully understand that, we will never be able to really fight terrorism. You can't put boots to ground to fight an ideology.

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(*And Brexit people.) While I'd prefer, as some others do, to exterminate religious indoctrination entirely from humanity, that obviously won't happen. So instead we have to ask, why did such a person choose to go down this fork in the road? What happened? How are these people recruited? Investigating this path is the most practical and effective course we have before us for long-term solutions. There needs to be better social infrastructure to help people who are feeling disenfranchised (and let's not cut mental health support programs/insurance coverage, seriously), and culture needs to catch up in not alienating entire populations within our own borders.



songanddanceman2 said: " Indeed, but they won't win here, not today, not any other day. Seeing every religion, atheists, gays, straight, trans all out today in memory is something they can't break. That's why that has to remain the most important thing. We have Muslims handing out free food, sikhs handing out free drinks, trans and gays hugging builders and big butch blokes, kids of all colours holding hands. Sometimes that is the answer."

qolbinau - SHUT THE F**K UP!

Mister Matt said: " Yes, religion can lead to extremism and extremism can lead to terrorism. Nobody is denying that because it's been going on for THOUSANDS of years.

The problem here is that people are often indoctrinated and actually think that the religion is their identity.

This again? People think their non-religion is their identity. "



You make one mistake in thinking here. Yes, there are bad people everywhere. The problem we are talking about here, is that in this case, people blame their religion for their actions. They hide behind it. That is avoiding human responsibility and never understanding what is right or wrong. If this is not properly taught to the youth, you create dangerous individuals.

A religion presents facts per definition. Non-religion presents nothing. Which forces people to think from both sides and then learn that nothing is written in stone.

Updated On: 5/24/17 at 04:53 AM

A Director said: "qolbinau - SHUT THE F**K UP! "

Watch your mouth, you rude person.

Why are you distressed when confronted with reason?

And if you don't have anything to add, stay silent.

Thank you.

Updated On: 5/24/17 at 05:18 AM

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Updated On: 12/19/19 at 08:13 AM

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Updated On: 12/19/19 at 08:33 AM

qolbinau has pointed out that we could have predicted with great confidence that the person responsible for the Manchester bombing was a Muslim extremist. Well, there's something else that I can predict with 100 percent confidence: the victims of the next Western drone attack - which will probably be later today, and won't make the news - will be Muslims.

For those who have wondered why young Muslims become radicalized, I'd start with this fact.

Western governments have been killing Muslims, in a most cowardly fashion, almost every day for many years. I can't really blame Muslims living under those governments for becoming angry, or even for becoming radicals. What I can condemn them for is targeting kids going to a concert; this is murder, pure and simple, and also very cowardly.

If radical Muslims targeted the individuals responsible for Western carnage in the Middle East, they'd have my sympathy.

The problem we are talking about here, is that in this case, people blame their religion for their actions.

And in other cases, they blame other things.

This post. MUST be read by all the leaders, politicians and citizens in the world.

How about "world peace"? They should read that, too! Meanwhile, the real world with actual people will have to find more realistic means of investigation and finding solutions. Eradicating religion is about as feasible as sending the Care Bears to launch a rainbow attack from their bellies and if you've been paying attention, attempts to do so will lead to more extremism and violence.

You can't "eradicate religion" even if you personally think it's the magic answer for all of mankind (sounds like a religion, no?). First of all, you're attempting to police thought to conform to your ideology, which is not only immensely hypocritical, it's impossible. The existence of so many religions, each one claiming to be the correct and true religion, is proof of that. Further proof is the creation of new religions and cults all the time. The only proven way to eradicate a single religion is genocide, or extermination. Because you have to literally exterminate the ability for free thought.

I am incredibly pretentious and arrogant - and I love it.

It's no wonder you want everyone to conform to your ideology. You are a narcissist, just like most religious extremist and cult leaders. You don't actually "reason" because you choose to ignore plausibility and human behavior. You're just a dreamer, substituting a non-religion as your religion. You might as well be a Scientologist, for all that it matters.

Raise a child in a way where he/she learns to look at things from all sides, be reasonable, not judgmental, learns how to think critically, not what to think, forms an opinion on various matters by life experience, not by religion, should learn about all the religions out there, compare and acknowledge the good and the bad sides and influences, challenge eachother openly, etc.

Because you don't address the external factors of what is known as "the rest of the world". How you raise a child can assist in their growth, but it's no guarantee of their choices for their lives. If so, every child would grow up to lead lives that were entirely predictable by their parents in every way. You should probably meet some hippie parents/grandparents and find out how their kids turned out. Do you really believe all children of atheists are atheists, too?

Nothing flawed about a well formed, evolved mind, who has compared and learned about all religions,the good and bad sides, and all sides of life and understands reason.

If you are against children evolving like this, you are a part of the problem (Mar and Joey).

Why can't these things be openly challenged? What is your problem?

Oh! You think that idea is NEW! That explains it. Oh sure. NO FLAWS THERE. It's never been attempted! LOL By golly, why aren't we alerting the press?!?! People who actually learn about religions won't ever participate in them. Got it. I have several friends who are theological academic scholars, writers and professors, who still practice religion, that I should explain this to! IF ONLY SOMEONE HAD KNOWN THE SECRET TO THE UNIVERSE BEFORE TODAY! MANKIND IS SAVED Y'ALL!

qolbinau has pointed out that we could have predicted with great confidence that the person responsible for the Manchester bombing was a Muslim extremist.

qolbinbau has pointed out that he loves that he's pretentious and arrogant. I don't think there's anything more that needs to be said about qolbinau.

You know, the post you refer to really wasn't about qolbinau.

Then it is most about him than he intended because it's not inaccurate. But if I missed another reference, I really don't care that much.

Kad said: "Removing religion will not remove monstrous ideology; it will simply cause people to find another way to justify it. "

THIS. Humans will always find a way to justify hatred of "others" and creating systems of oppression and hierarchy. For me, I have found specific educational opportunities work best for deconstructing these ideological concepts.