Deaths, injuries after reports of explosion at Ariana Grande concert at Manchester Arena

This is the city I live in, reports are all over the place, we can say explosion has happened and some are dead but that's all we seem to know for sure at the moment.

That seems to be getting reported in the US but they ain't saying it on UK news yet, just that fatalities are confined.

A friend has just got home with bits of human flesh and blood on her. This sounds awful. It seems to be in the foyer of the street exit (ticket area), the opposite entrance to the Train Station that is attached to it. Some are saying a nail bomb.

Horrendous, gotta be the religion of peace at it again.

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Updated On: 12/19/19 at 08:34 PM

'We're not gonna stop bombers at events in my lifetime. Hope my last show is a good one.'

Really????

They are saying that forensic experts on the scene are confirming from body parts and other evidence that it was a suicide bomber

So sorry for your friend, songanddanceman, and for all the victims and their families, and for Arianna., who released this statement:



Ariana Grande ?@ArianaGrande

broken.
from the bottom of my heart, i am so so sorry. i don't have words.

10:51 PM - 22 May 2017



The suicide bomber's bomb didn't destroy his head, which is more than can be said for some of his victims. The police have been able to ID him from his head.

Why is everyone assuming this was an Islamic terrorist? Has that been reported? All I'm seeing in any of the news articles is that it was a "suicide bomber." Nothing about the religion or nationality of the bomber has been reported by any media outlet. While it may end up being an Islamic terrorist, perhaps we shouldn't jump to conclusions yet.

This is a horrible tragic attack but this has nothing to do with Islam. I will say and continue to believe this until the day I die. Islam is not responsible for terrorism. Small minded and hateful people of all races and religions perpetuate this behavior. Until we start teaching THAT, nothing will be resolved.

MoveOnGypsy said: "This is a horrible tragic attack but this has nothing to do with Islam. I will say and continue to believe this until the day I die. Islam is not responsible for terrorism. Small minded and hateful people of all races and religions perpetuate this behavior. Until we start teaching THAT, nothing will be resolved. "



It actually does. It has to do with the radical perversion of Islam. No one is directly blaming the religion, just as no one would directly blame the religion of christianity for a racist who happens to be christian. At the end of the day, however, the Islamic faith must have its own "reformation;" just as christianity experienced many moons ago. It is people like you who end up blocking the continued path to Islamic reformation. One must admit and acknowledge the pervasive nature of radical Islamism in order to eventually quash it. Naivety is dangerous and, in this case, downright deadly. SHAME ON YOU

MoveOnGypsy said: "This is a horrible tragic attack but this has nothing to do with Islam. I will say and continue to believe this until the day I die. Islam is not responsible for terrorism. Small minded and hateful people of all races and religions perpetuate this behavior. Until we start teaching THAT, nothing will be resolved. "



It has everything to do with Islam. Small minded and hateful people are everywhere, but the real problem is when people act out of religion, and let their thoughts, deeds and identity be defined by one of thousands of made up gods, there is no human responsibility. If they think they are doing things (good or bad) for a god, there is zero responsibility and reasoning possible. That is the dangerous part. Good deeds for a religion are also very disconnected from the true human mind. Just as bad deeds.

As long as we raise people with the idea that their identity is defined by a god/religion, we create people disconnected from the human mind and those people will never truly understand right from wrong.

You can say "it has nothing to do with islam/god/religion" and "we must hold people responsible for their actions", but these suicide bombers do it for their made up god, they have the delusion that it is their identity and are fully convinced that what they are doing is right. It's not like we are talking about evolved human minds here. They think Allah is patting them on their back and they go to heaven with 10 virgins. Even if the bomber would survive and spend the rest of his days in prison, he would still feel like a hero. This will not change, because a full identity was never formed. These people blow themselves up because paradise is promised. There is no other truth in their minds.


Many religious people think that gays must die too, just because. Just because one of their made up gods says so. No journey, no life experience, no reasoning. No truth.

I really think that laws should be sharpened, and kids in school should be taught that a person's identity does not come from religion. That those are 2 separate things. Until we start teaching THAT, nothing will be resolved.

What you are doing right now, pointing with a finger to others, "you can't blame the reason out of which someone committed this crime, because other people make up different gods who are kind" is by no means the solution. In fact, thinking like that means you are part of the problem. Shame on you (or on whatever god you think defines you).

Updated On: 5/23/17 at 07:47 AM

And the president has made a characteristic statement:



“As President of the United States, and on behalf of the people of the United States, I would like to begin by offering my prayers to the people of Manchester in the United Kingdom. I extend my deepest condolences to those so terribly injured in this terrorist attack, and to the many killed and the families — so many families — of the victims. We stand in absolute solidarity with the people of the United Kingdom.

“So many young, beautiful innocent people living and enjoying their lives murdered by evil losers in life. I won’t call them monsters because they would like that term. They would think that’s a great name. I will call them from now on losers, because that’s what they are. They’re losers. And we’ll have more of them. But they’re losers. Just remember that.

“This is what I’ve spent these last few days talking about during my trip overseas. Our society can have no tolerance for this continuation of bloodshed. We cannot stand a moment longer for the slaughter of innocent people. And in today’s attack, it was mostly innocent children. The terrorists and extremists, and those who give them aid and comfort, must be driven out of our society forever. This wicked ideology must be obliterated, and I mean completely obliterated. Life must be protected.”

“All civilized nations must join to protect human life and the sacred right of our citizens.”