Ellen's Emotional Plea- Page 4

[TheatreDiva90016]

Posted: 10/16/07 at 6:03pm

Okay,

I had to stop reading about halfway through all of the posts, but...

PRS, what contract did you get screwed on? It seems you are sticking to the point about 'what was signed...she should have read it, PERIOD'

Maybe they should have just put the dog down, and then we would all be worried.

[*brina-doll*]

Posted: 10/16/07 at 6:58pm

I just find it rather strange that the shelter didn't ACTUALLY TELL HER "If you can't handle the puppy or you give it away, we take him back" type of spheal but they just put it in fine print. It was her fault for not reading the contract thoroughly and for creating a bigger scandal than it truly needs to be; but I still feel somethings rather fishy about this.

[wickedfiyeroofoz]

Posted: 10/16/07 at 7:01pm

Just a thought....Ok so the dog was repossessed(?)....Why can't that family apply for ownership, It seems as though that would be the best solution. And since the dog has been living with them, and assuming the organization is looking out for the dog's best interests, wouldn't it be easier (on the dog) to allow the dog to continue living with that family? Doesn't moving the dog again cause him more stress and trauma?

[wonderfulwizard11]

Posted: 10/16/07 at 7:07pm

I do think Ellen should have read the contract more clearly, but I think they should have at least investigated the family she gave the dog to.

[orangeskittles]

Posted: 10/16/07 at 7:12pm

Why can't that family apply for ownership, It seems as though that would be the best solution.

I wouldn't be surprised if they wouldn't let them apply, because they "illegally" possessed the dog without their permission.

[wickedfiyeroofoz]

Posted: 10/16/07 at 7:16pm

So once again in America legality/ pieces of paper> morality and common sense

[TheatreDiva90016]

Posted: 10/16/07 at 8:05pm

Pamela just got married again...



I've been with my husband 9 years, but I still can't...


nuff said.


Put the dog's where they are happy. THEY know where they want to be.

[Unknown User]

Posted: 10/16/07 at 8:08pm

i dont know why people keep saying this was a "fine print" issue.

rescues tell you all the rules up front before they will even let you apply.

& then it is all repeated on the application form, with check boxes to show that the potential adopter understands. it is an important part of the application process & is NOT a "fine print" item.

they dont want to bother researching you unless they know YOU ARE SERIOUS; that is why they they tell potential adopters all this information UP FRONT...if a potential adoptee gets discouraged & gives up, then their commitment was not that strong to begin with.

[Chita1933]

Posted: 10/16/07 at 8:54pm

I think wickedfiyeroofoz makes a good point. Why not let the family foster the dog until Mutts & Moms does a thorough investigation of the family. The family wins and the dog has to be better off not moving around so much.

[neddyfrank2]

Posted: 10/16/07 at 8:59pm

I didn't read all the posts so this might have been asked before.

Why can't that family just go to the rescue mission and adopt it? Updated On: 10/16/07 at 08:59 PM

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 10/16/07 at 9:01pm

I wasn't screwed on anything, Diva. Of course, I read what I sign.

Chita, the dog is most likely with a foster family. There are people who act as halfway houses for dogs going between a rescue and their home. To let the family involved here foster it while they investigate it would still be going against what the rescues are about.

And what norn said.

PS Can someone help poor nedioca? He can't read three and a half whole pages! He can't read even one.
Updated On: 10/16/07 at 09:01 PM

[cooperross]

Posted: 10/16/07 at 9:02pm

"...if a potential adoptee gets discouraged & gives up, then their commitment was not that strong to begin with."

that's BS..time after time I have people tell me they are strung along by these agencies only to be denied weeks or months later, without explanation, or give up in frustration of dealing with the 10th home visit, having to provide at least half a dozen personal references and undergoing b/g checks that would make the feds head spin.

The bottom line is that the animal doesn't get adopted and spends more time in a cage or a foster home, or several foster homes, or ends up back at the shelter when these rescue organizations get in over their heads and end up not being able to care for all of the animals they take in.

It's easier to adopt a child than it is a dog or cat from some of these people.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 10/16/07 at 9:06pm

What percentage of dogs in the rescue system wind up being sent to animal shelters?

[Unknown User]

Posted: 10/16/07 at 9:09pm

if any of you were next in line on the adoption waiting list, you would suddenly develop a whole new respect for following the rules.

[Chita1933]

Posted: 10/16/07 at 9:14pm

But he's already got a family wanting to adopt him. Why put him back in the system and lessen the chances of another dog being adopted?

[Chita1933]

Posted: 10/16/07 at 9:17pm

Phyllis it also works in the other direction. Some animals are rescued by places like Mutts & Moms in an effort to save them from being euthanized.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 10/16/07 at 9:29pm

But he's already got a family wanting to adopt him. Why put him back in the system and lessen the chances of another dog being adopted?

They aren't lessening the chances. The dog will get adopted.

I don't understand why people try to keep making rescues the bad guys (when there isn't a bad guy here, except maybe Ellen, but for ungraciously doing this on television, not for not realizing she violated her agreement with the rescue people). I would love to hear more about the one cooperross dealt with. They seem to have done everything but rape her grandmother.

[wickedfiyeroofoz]

Posted: 10/16/07 at 9:42pm

It is ten kinds of wrong that you're calling Ellen the bad guy (not that I'm saying the agency is either) She's just hurt and guilt-ridden for causing her friends pain. I hate when BWWers crucify people for being emotional.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 10/16/07 at 9:44pm

I'm not crucifying her. I've said from the get go that I feel bad for her, but I don't think she's an idiot, either. She had to know that some people might think it's a cynical publicity ploy.

[Elphaba]

Posted: 10/16/07 at 9:49pm

"Just a thought....Ok so the dog was repossessed(?)....Why can't that family apply for ownership"

More to the point, why didn't that mother or father follow the agency to then apply for ownership?
If it meant that much to me, I would have

Cooperross, you wrote

"It's easier to adopt a child than it is a dog or cat from some of these people."

you really need to know what you are talking about before you spew this crap. My cousin just adopted a child, and a co-worker, and what they had to go through, and the time it took was ridiculous.......your above statement is truly ridiculous

[Unknown User]

Posted: 10/16/07 at 9:55pm

lets just throw all rules out & disregard all contracts from now on.

we'll just rely on everyone's good intentions.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 10/16/07 at 9:55pm

I don't know why she would have gone through an organization like this if she didn't want to play by their rules. She should have just gone to the pound.

[Craww]

Posted: 10/16/07 at 10:27pm

lets just throw all rules out & disregard all contracts from now on. we'll just rely on everyone's good intentions.

It's not a credit card company. Animal placement is essentially a charity undertaking. Good intentions are the entire point. These rules and regulations are in place for the wellbeing of the animals, and should be made flexible when it is proven that the animal's wellbeing is still being preserved.

I don't fault them too harshly for adhering to their rules, but it's in their own best interest to follow up on the family the dog was with to see if they're a proper caretaker. If the family passes their inspections then it's in the dog's best interest too, and that's what should be most important to the company.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 10/16/07 at 10:30pm

Wait, Elphaba's cousin just adopted a child and a co-worker? Sounds like Cuz has some boundary issues. I'm surprised it was approved.

[LaurenB]

Posted: 10/16/07 at 10:35pm

According to the AP - Mutts and Moms will not let the family keep the dog.



"Mutts and Moms owners Marina Batkis and Vanessa Chekroun were in possession of the dog and will not be giving it back, attorney Keith A. Fink told The Associated Press...

"She doesn't think this is the type of family that should have the dog. She is adamant that she is not going to be bullied around by the Ellen DeGenereses of the world ... They are using their power, position and wealth to try to get what it is they want...

"DeGeneres had said her hairdresser's daughters, ages 11 and 12, had bonded with Iggy and were heartbroken when the dog was taken away.

"Fink said Moms and Mutts has a rule that families with children under 14 are not allowed to adopt small dogs."



Ellen broke the rules. The kids are heartbroken. The pet store is being picketed. The dog goes back to foster care. A real win-win if I ever saw one.