#126
Posted: 10/16/07 at 11:38pm
No, I don't think you are. I don't really think you have any idea how this works at all.
Updated On: 10/16/07 at 11:38 PM
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#127
Posted: 10/16/07 at 11:39pm
I remember being stopped by the cops twice, LOL, once for speeding, and once for illegal parking. In both instances, I did not get a ticket. I broke the rules (The Law), and by rights, I could have been ticketed. But I wasn't. I was issued a warning in both instances. Both times the policemen used their judgment according to the situation. I walked away with a greater respect for the police than if I had been ticketed. Law enforcement bent the rules according to the situation. It's called judgment, and it is expected in their job.
We all are in positions daily where we must use our wisdom and judgment. Ellen broke the rules, there is no denying that. But it seems to me that the reaction of the rescue was particularly strident. Just my opinion. Their primary concern is for the well-being of the animals. But somewhere along the way, they have forgotten the human component - in this case, the children who had bonded with the dog. If the law enforcers of our land can use their best judgment according to the situation, why can't Mutts and Moms?
Mutts and Moms have now found themselves in the center of a major cluster-fX. This could have been avoided by exercising some judgment and bending of the rules. I would have done so, even if the rule-breaker was just your average Joe and not a PIA celebrity. People do make mistakes, but let's not make a federal offense out of it. And why punish the children for Ellen's mistake?
Had they been smart, they could have turned this incident into a real win-win, for their rescue, and used Ellen's celebrity for some kind of fund-raising or rescue awareness. But I think egos got in the way. Just my opinion...
We all are in positions daily where we must use our wisdom and judgment. Ellen broke the rules, there is no denying that. But it seems to me that the reaction of the rescue was particularly strident. Just my opinion. Their primary concern is for the well-being of the animals. But somewhere along the way, they have forgotten the human component - in this case, the children who had bonded with the dog. If the law enforcers of our land can use their best judgment according to the situation, why can't Mutts and Moms?
Mutts and Moms have now found themselves in the center of a major cluster-fX. This could have been avoided by exercising some judgment and bending of the rules. I would have done so, even if the rule-breaker was just your average Joe and not a PIA celebrity. People do make mistakes, but let's not make a federal offense out of it. And why punish the children for Ellen's mistake?
Had they been smart, they could have turned this incident into a real win-win, for their rescue, and used Ellen's celebrity for some kind of fund-raising or rescue awareness. But I think egos got in the way. Just my opinion...
#128
Posted: 10/16/07 at 11:40pm
Well, maybe Ellen's cynical bawl-fest will make that happen now. Then we'll all feel great.
#129
Posted: 10/16/07 at 11:41pm
cooperross, you are an idiot.
no I am a realist.
I think both sides are wrong. As usual.
no I am a realist.
I think both sides are wrong. As usual.
#130
Posted: 10/16/07 at 11:43pm
oh believe me I DO know how it works..just reference all of the stories you see on the news about the recluses with 50+ animals who are arrested in houses in filthy conditions..animals sickly or rotting corpses..a good percentage of them started out as "rescuers" but somewhere down the line, they believed they were better at caring for the animals than anyone they could possibly adopt them out to.
Or revisit the link I posted earlier about the cats in Pahrump, Nevada..600 cats.
Or revisit the link I posted earlier about the cats in Pahrump, Nevada..600 cats.
-Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D.
Updated On: 10/16/07 at 11:43 PM
#131
Posted: 10/16/07 at 11:45pm
Had they been smart, they could have turned this incident into a real win-win, for their rescue, and used Ellen's celebrity for some kind of fund-raising or rescue awareness. But I think egos got in the way. Just my opinion...
They're getting more fund-raising and awareness for their organization by publically clashing with Ellen instead of actually working out a solution beneficial for all parties.
They're getting more fund-raising and awareness for their organization by publically clashing with Ellen instead of actually working out a solution beneficial for all parties.
Like a firework unexploded
Wanting life but never knowing how
Wanting life but never knowing how
Updated On: 10/16/07 at 11:45 PM
#132
Posted: 10/16/07 at 11:47pm
I saw this clip on one of those entertainment shows while I was working out. I didn't have the audio on at the time so when I saw the visuals- I thought her mother had died. She was crying so hard!
#133
Posted: 10/16/07 at 11:55pm
"They're getting more fund-raising and awareness for their organization by publically clashing with Ellen instead of actually working out a solution beneficial for all parties."
I think it will backfire on them. I'm sure they are already getting enough hate email to crash their servers.
I think it will backfire on them. I'm sure they are already getting enough hate email to crash their servers.
-Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D.
#134
Posted: 10/16/07 at 11:55pm
Who thought airing this would be a good idea? It's so mawkish.
#135
Posted: 10/16/07 at 11:56pm
Perhaps Ellen's phone was broken, and this was the only way to get her message to the animal shelter?
#136
Posted: 10/17/07 at 12:03am
it's not an animal shelter..they are run by the state, county or city governments.
it is a private non-profit rescue organization. and they, btw, mostly rescue animals hours away from "the needle" by city shelters. But even they are selective. they get the fees waived if they are a legal non-profit org, at least in L.A.
it is a private non-profit rescue organization. and they, btw, mostly rescue animals hours away from "the needle" by city shelters. But even they are selective. they get the fees waived if they are a legal non-profit org, at least in L.A.
-Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D.
#137
Posted: 10/17/07 at 12:07am
Is it possible that some of these "organizations" are in it for the money?*
*just a question.
*just a question.
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#138
Posted: 10/17/07 at 12:10am
I would doubt that..as a lot of them are 1 or 2 people operations at best with a network of "volunteers" or friends. There are larger ones but really..with the costs of animal care and feeding..there really isn't a lot to be made.
-Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D.
#139
Posted: 10/17/07 at 12:22am
well looks like Mutts and Moms has pulled their Petfinder page...
oops
oops
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#140
Posted: 10/17/07 at 12:25am
Who would blame them? And I believe I mentioned that earlier. Why should they have to listen to a bunch of hysterical ninnies?
#141
Posted: 10/17/07 at 12:26am
they're the hysterical ninnies that started it
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#142
Posted: 10/17/07 at 12:31am
You sure are right, coop! When they went on their tv show and started sobbing like a banshee, they... eh. Come on!
#143
Posted: 10/17/07 at 12:32am
they called TMZ and the cops first..and held the dog hostage for 2 hours until the cops showed up.
Here's hoping the Pasadena Humane Society shuts them down and someone sues them for every last dime.
Here's hoping the Pasadena Humane Society shuts them down and someone sues them for every last dime.
-Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D.
Updated On: 10/17/07 at 12:32 AM
#144
Posted: 10/17/07 at 12:38am
#145
Posted: 10/17/07 at 12:42am
why? their contracts are legally unenforceable..all someone has to do is challenge it.
-Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D.
#146
Posted: 10/17/07 at 12:47am
This a thread that could use an appearance by Jilani.
So now they are saying that there wasn't any big hassle when she got the dog. Does that indeed mean that rules were bent to accommodate Ms. DeGeneres? Did she do a little dance and show them her AmEx commercial and get them to "make an exception"?
The plot is thickening. Coop, how are you holding up?
So now they are saying that there wasn't any big hassle when she got the dog. Does that indeed mean that rules were bent to accommodate Ms. DeGeneres? Did she do a little dance and show them her AmEx commercial and get them to "make an exception"?
The plot is thickening. Coop, how are you holding up?
#147
Posted: 10/17/07 at 12:48am
still saying the rescue folks are 100% wrong in the way they handled the situation.
-Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D.
Updated On: 10/17/07 at 12:48 AM
#148
Posted: 10/17/07 at 12:49am
Cool. I'll see your mishandling and raise you a cynical, mawkish and misguided.
#149
Posted: 10/17/07 at 12:54am
Rescue groups should legally have no more power or methods than how the city in which they do business handles animal adoptions.
And the only way they should be able to remove an animal, once placed, is if there is evidence of abuse or neglect.
And the only way they should be able to remove an animal, once placed, is if there is evidence of abuse or neglect.
-Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D.
#150
Posted: 10/17/07 at 12:58am
I think it's a complete act of childishness and immaturity for Mutts and Moms to have removed their website from the internet. Grow up. Stop trying to protect yourselves. Did Ellen make a boo-boo? Sure. She's admitted that and done her share of "mea culpa" to last a lifetime. Her heart was in the right place, and the animal agency over-reacted - PERIOD. Ellen is not bullying anyone, and using her fame and "power" to do anything. She is one of the few celebrities that has managed to stay out of a negative spotlight for the majority of her career, and done nothing but good and made people laugh. Regardless of what anyone says, I'm a fan, and hope this whole mess ends quickly and so that all parties are happy. I'd be curious for someone at TMZ or one of those stalkerazzi websites to obtain a copy of the contract and to post the exact verbage in the "contract" she supposedly signed.
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