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#51

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boos for the academy voters... not by.

I didn't mean that they should've boo-ed. I meant that some of their choices that year were crap. (including that one, IMHO) Not necessarily Moore related, just a general statement.
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#52

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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

oops.

sorry for the misread!
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#53

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four more hours! God knows I've never mis-read something before. :)
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#54

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Actually, I support any point of view being expressed--I'm not hypocritical on that. Perhaps others are and would have thrown a fit if it have been an opposing view.

However, speaking for my personal feelings about what is said on TV or other, I guess I can relate to poor papa and ckeaton's feelings. I feel just as ill whenever conservatives say some of the things they say. Especially the requisite religious right representative on cable news shows.

And, I'm sorry, but regardless of whether or not you agree with what Moore was saying in BFC, it was fantastic film making. It HIGHLY deserved its Oscar.

I find it deeply surprising that there are theatre folk on this board who forget that there is a huge difference between agreeing with what someone says and appreciating how well it was said*. Don't we get frustrated all the time when audience members make that same mistake at a play or musical? "That play had an unwed mother--it was terrible!" or something similar. Vice versa happens, too.

*Example: I rarely agree with anything papa says on here. I respect how he says it (usually). four more hours!
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Updated On: 5/20/04 at 01:53 AM

#55

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I disagree with Bowling for Columbine to be that great of a film. I don't think he presented the facts well at all. Like his own opposition, he willingly left out crucial facts and made false comparisons to inflate his views. When he tried exploiting the dead girl by throwing her picture in Charlton Heston's face, I was disgusted. It was like the pro-lifers on the street shoving their photos in your face. His ambush of Dick Clark and then reacting as though Dick Clark was being completely unreasonable when interrupted trying to leave in a van and blasted with questions regarding employees of a restaurant was self-indulgent propaganda. I think the film started out with good intentions and then ran swiftly downhill into a personal tirade filled with biased inaccurate statistics and shock tactics. If it were more intelligently plotted, statistically sound, and less aggressive, it would have been more effective for me, anyway. I'm 100% anti-NRA and anti-gun, but I felt Moore's film did nothing other than make people scared to live in the US. It never motivated me to do anything about it other than leave the country.

And I don't believe a political anti-Bush speech is any more appropriate at the Oscars than an anti-abortion speech is appropriate at a wedding. At least, when Susan and Tim launch one of their speeches, it is calm, collected, and well-thought without being hot-headed or forceful. Michael Moore's outburst was nothing but a negative aggressive rant that was about as effective as someone's mother nagging their teenager to quit smoking and drinking during their high school prom.
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#56

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mr. matt, if i liked men, man you would be so on my list. it so refreshing to see someone be consistent, rational and reasoned in their views and their expression of them. so as it is, i'll just say, jarico is a lucky man and that you're a real pip!
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#57

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JRB, you're going to be mad at me, but I'm with Matt on this one. I really thought BFC was way over the top. The editing was not great either.

Some documentaries with a point of view (i.e. anything by Liz Garbus and some of Rory Kennedy's work) are successful in leading the audience to a conclusion without resorting to bombastic tricks.

Moore inserts himself too much into the storyline -- he would have been better to allow the victims of gun violence to speak for themselves instead of being a one-man crusader.
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#58

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I'm sorry then. I guess I will just have to stand alone with it's huge box office, critical praise, awards, etc. in thinking it was any good. What was I thinking? It's not like I'm being consistent, reasonal, or rational here!
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#59

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I met Rory Kennedy once. "Hi," she said, "I'm Rory Kennedy, Joe's cousin." She was wearing a shirt from the Miss Porter School. "I hope you'll vote for him for Congress."

Here's what I said: "Wow! A Kennedy for my generation! I will remember this when I read about you in the Enquirer in years to come."

She laughed a polite little laugh. This was before the other Kennedys of her generation stole the spotlight with the date rapes and the affairs and all that. Instead she grew up all responsibile and film makery.

I liked BFC. I hated the Heston part, I thought it was beneath the rest of the movie and it would have been much stronger without it. I am no Heston fan, tho he was one of my first crushes as a pre-adolescent (after Adam West and Edward Mulare). I thought the Dick Clark part was PERFECT. Clark is a complete rat bastard who was completely tied up in the radio payola scandals of the '50s. I was glad Moore caught the real Dick, you should not excuse the expression, on film.


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#60

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Matt, I agree to an extent about your BFC observations, particularly the Heston/Dick Clark scenes. However, Moore is aware of the importance of entertainment in a documentary. I think most intelligent viewers were aware of the absurdity of those confrontations. The fact remains that his points were valid and people went to see his film. How many people saw FOG OF WAR? As for the Oscar speech, it was over the top, and may have done him more to turn people off to him than make people want to see his film. His speech the night before at the Independent Film Awards was much more articulate and reasonable.

As for F9/11, Ebert reports that it’s the best received film of the festival so far, but concedes it may be more for the politics than the film making. But it is also noted that Moore keeps behind the camera much more in this film than in any of his others. Therefore letting the footage and editing do the commentary without his annoying input. Maybe he is maturing and realizes that his personality sometimes overshadows his message.

I am just glad that someone is out there trying to tell these important stories, however slap-dash they may appear.

PEACE.
#61

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I think getting out of the way and letting Bush do himself in is the best strategy right now. Because things are just getting worse and worse for him. As I heard one pundit say about those who are upset about Kerry being so quiet: "Why waste bullets on somebody falling from a tall building?"

Moore is just documenting the fall.
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#62

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it's a good strategy backed by the polls. thus far in the campaign, and you can check the poll numbers, the less kerry says the better for him.
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pray to st. jude

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he was the gimmicky sort

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#63

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jrb - Box office proves that for a documentary, it was popular. Awards and critical acclaim have been handed out to many many films I wasn't particularly impressed with. I didn't like Lord of the Rings, Out of Africa, The English Patient, Pulp Fiction, Resevoir Dogs or A Beautiful Mind either. Sometimes I agree with the critics and awards and sometimes I don't. Bowling for Columbine certainly got a lot of attention and was very bold and opinionated, but anyone who looks closely at the film will notice there are just as many important statistics conveniently excluded to make his view more sensational. I think he focused more on his own anger and entertainment than truly educating and motivating the audience. Some, but not all, of his points were valid. At least, that is what I saw in his film.
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#64

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Papa, did you happen to read the Vanity Fair article about the Diebold electronic voting boxes? Fascinating. Interesting correlation between places where polling numbers were vastly different from the election outcomes. Saxby Chambliss being elected via black box even tho all the polls predicted an easy Democratic win being one of the more interesting races.

I'm not saying, I'm just saying.
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#65

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But, my point is:

you can like or dislike something, but that doesn't mean that it is inherently bad or good based on your opinion. I disliked The English Patient very much. But, I acknowledge that it was considered to be a great film to many people. If someone asked me if it was a good film, I might say, "Well, I didn't care for it, but it won Best Picture and many people think it is a good film."

But, on this board (where debates mimic cable news shows' black and white/good vs. evil hardcore stances on everything from Bernadetter Peters to Wicked to politics to lubricants) it is rare that people will allow for such a gray area.

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#66

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papa - Thank you, but it only proves that I am stubborn, which can be a good thing and a bad thing. Luckily, Jarico is as stubborn as me, so though we butt heads sometimes, we know how the other feels.
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#67

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lol, no, i didn't namo, but of course now i will..eventually.

y'know, i high school we went through a phase where we could say just about anything to anyone, so long as we qualified it at the the end with, "i'm just saying."
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.

...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty

pray to st. jude

i'm a sonic reducer

he was the gimmicky sort

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#68

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Moore said in his speech that there is only one country in the world where people cannot see this film. Hyerbole? Perhaps, but you get his point.
PEACE.
#69

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This administration and it's lemmings are FAR to creepy for normal humans to stomach...



Bravo to Powell for speaking out AGAINST the Shrub on national TV....
#70

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did anyone read the EW artical about the distribution problems they are facing with the new movie? i bet it is released anyway, considering the sucess of bfc.

and i beleive moore achieved everything he wanted with bfc, he didnt "betray his art", but still managed to make a mainstreme movie that could sway political opinion. while i agree that he is extremely annoying, (and to be honest, i wish he wouldnt include himself in his movies- he is so awkward, like in bfc when he tried to comfort the teacher who was upset about the little girl who died... very uncomfortable, for some reason, i dont think she felt any better) i think his films do say a lot, and at least hollywood is producing SOMETHING in an attempt to reflect the politics of this day and age.
#71

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Well, now that it has won the top prize at Cannes, maybe they'll get a distributor quicker. four more hours!
#72

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Below is the NY Times article.

Now, I am not fond of Michael Moore, inciter that he is. I am disillusioned by my friend Dubya however and I will think hard about how I vote. Dubya's position on same-sex marriage is disturbing in many ways. For one, it illustrates to me an acquiesence to the worst elements of the conservative base. The overweight Michael Moore is alone a testament to the excesses of American self-indulgence and capitalism that are so dispised around the globe. So is this award less an honor on Moore than an attack on Dubya and the conservative America? I don't know, but here's the news item.

'Fahrenheit 9/11' Wins Top Prize at Cannes
By A. O. SCOTT

Published: May 23, 2004 by The New York Times


ANNES, France, May 22 - At the awards ceremony that wrapped up the 57th Cannes Film Festival on Saturday night, the jury gave "Fahrenheit 9/11," Michael Moore's stinging critique of the Bush administration's foreign policies, the Palme d'Or, the festival's top prize and one of the most coveted honors in international cinema.

The announcement, made by jury president Quentin Tarantino, met with enthusiastic cheers from the audience in the Grand Théâtre Lumière, where Mr. Moore's film had received what many thought was the longest standing ovation ever at Cannes when it was screened here last Monday. "What have you done?" Mr. Moore asked Mr. Tarantino as he accepted the prize, looking both overwhelmed and amused. "You just did this to mess with me, didn't you?"

It was a night of many surprises: a 14-year-old boy won the award for best actor; the first Thai film ever placed in competition shared a jury prize with an American actress; and all three French films in competition were given awards.

But Mr. Moore's victory outdid all of them. For one thing, Cannes is notoriously indifferent to documentaries. "Fahrenheit 9/11" was one of only three nonfiction films allowed in competition in nearly 50 years.

The meaning of Mr. Moore's Palme, however, extends far beyond the cozy, glamorous world of Cannes. "Last time I was on an awards stage in Hollywood, all hell broke loose," Mr. Moore said in his acceptance speech, referring to his antiwar remarks at the Oscars last year. His new film, which does not yet have an American distributor, has already begun to stir passions in the United States, as the election approaches and the debate over the conduct of the war in Iraq grows more intense.

With his characteristic blend of humor and outrage - and with greater filmmaking discipline and depth of feeling than he has shown in his previous work - Mr. Moore attacks Mr. Bush's response to Sept. 11, his decision to invade Iraq, and nearly everything else the president has done.

"I did not set out to make a political film," Mr. Moore said at a news conference after the ceremony. "I want people to leave thinking that was a good way to spend two hours. The art of this, the cinema, comes before the politics."

He also said that Mr. Tarantino had assured him that the political message of "Fahrenheit 9/11" did not influence the jury's decision. "On this jury we have different politics," he quoted Mr. Tarantino as saying. It is also a film financed by Miramax, which distributes Mr. Tarantino's movies.

Mr. Moore noted that four of the nine jurors were American: Mr. Tarantino, Kathleen Turner, the director Jerry Schatzberg, and the Haitian-born novelist Edwidge Danticat. "I fully expect the Fox News Channel and other right-wing media to portray this as an award from the French," Mr. Moore said. Only one juror, the actress Emanuelle Béart, is a French citizen.

"If you want to add Tilda," he said referring to the British actress Tilda Swinton, "then you could say that more than half came from the coalition of the willing." (The rest of the panel was made up of Benoit Poelvoode, a Belgian actor; Peter von Bagh, a Finnish critic; and the Hong Kong director Tsui Hark.)

The jury's other decisions ranged far and wide over the competitive slate, recognizing both audience-friendly commercial movies, and challenging art-house films, and acknowledging the strong Asian presence at the festival this year.

The second prize went to Park Chan Wook's "Old Boy," an action-filled South Korean revenge drama. The Thai film, "Apichatpong Weerasethakul's Tropical Malady," a dreamy fable, irritated some critics with its slow pacing and enthralled others with its mysterious sensuality. It shared the jury prize with Irma P. Hall, the landlady in Joel and Ethan Coen's "Ladykillers."

Ms. Hall, hospitalized in the United States, was not able to attend the ceremony. Nor was Yuya Yagira, the young Japanese actor honored for his role in Hirokazu Kore-Eda's "Nobody Knows." Mr. Yagira had exams to take back home, so Mr. Kore-Eda accepted the award on his behalf.

The prize for directing, was given to Tony Gatlif, an Algerian-born French filmmaker, for "Exiles," a ragged, sexy road picture about a young couple's journey across Europe and North Africa. Agnès Jaoui, the director of the sophisticated French comedy "Look at Me," shared the screenwriting prize with her ex-husband Jean-Pierre Bacri, who appears with her in the film. The prize for best actress went to Maggie Cheung, who plays a recovering addict in Olivier Assayas's "Clean."

Updated On: 5/22/04 at 08:57 PM

#73

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Here's the Variety review (in part):

"Its title notwithstanding, Michael Moore has delivered a film rather less incendiary than might have been expected--or wished for by his fans--in 'Fahrenheit 9/11.'...the sporadically effective docu trades far more in emotional appeals than in systematically building an evidence-filled case against the president and his circle...Pic fails to provide any hard facts or make any incriminating connections that a reasonably informed person doesn't already know about, so intellectually Moore is largely preaching to the converted in this blatant cinematic 2004 campaign pamphlet..."
Sounds like business as usual for Mr.Moore.

Updated On: 5/22/04 at 10:44 PM

#74

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Even without a distributor, I'm sure a lot of it will be "leaked" over the internet.
#75

four more wars!

I'm leaking just thinking about it.
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