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#2

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I would be heartbroken if they couldn't perform it at the awards (IF there are even awards).

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#3

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I was looking through the Once IMDB board, and posters seem to know the song was not written for the film specifically, based on interviews with the filmmakers.

So why would the studio put it up for consideration knowing this?



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Updated On: 1/26/08 at 08:39 PM

#4

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If it is disqualified, will they nominate another song? Do the other awards have the same strict criteria? If so will they have to give back the award?
#5

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I know writers keep ideas for songs on file, so i'm not sure if that denotes disqualification.

However the song "Falling Slowly," from what I gather, appeared on a CD prior to the film yet not published till after the film.

http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/qas/story.html?id=a66f6258-08e0-48a2-91a1-cf551b9b72f8&k=65530

"...And John also really likes our music; having been in the band, all the films he's made, he's always put a Frames song in at least once. And so he said, "Will you write me a few songs for this film?" And I said, "Well, look, I have this record I just made called The Swell Season (Hansard's collaboration with Czech singer Marketa Irglova) and here's a bunch of songs that might be on the Frames record." And I gave him The Swell Season, the record I made with Mar, and he fell in love with Falling Slowly. He said, "Geez, I really want this song for the film."...




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Updated On: 1/26/08 at 08:47 PM

#6

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"Accidentely in Love" was nominated for Best Song despite being on the Counting Crowe's 2003 album prior to Shrek 2's 2005 rerelease.

"In The Deep" from Crash was nominated, even though the song appeared on the artist's 2003 album, three years before the film.

The Academy needs to start being consistent in their rulings.

The fact that the Crash song was eligible is a joke.
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#7

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I was just going to say the same thing re: CRASH, priest.

I agree.

I e-mailed several people about the CRASH song 2 years ago, and never received a response.
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#8

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Hell, Stevie Wonder WON and his song was not written for the film. No, he did not have to give it back.
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#10

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If they were going to rule it ineligible, wouldn't they have done that before the nominations were announced?
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#11

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Boo, Academy. The music in Once is great.
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#14

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Do you know the rule Munk? Do they select the next most nominated song and add it to the voting list, or just leave it at 4 nominees?
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#15

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Incidentally, munk, are the Munkies happening this year? Or is it too affected by the srike?
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#16

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Well crap. This would be a real shame, especially considering those other inconsistencies in the rules for the category.

I've been wondering about the song's eligibility since the nominations were announced, because was under the impression that it was on one of The Frames previous albums. I really hope they let it compete, because it really is a phenomenal song and it would be thrilling to hear them perform it live on the awards.
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#17

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They don't always know that something is ineligible before the nominations come out. I seem to remember that the Original Score nomination for the first THE GODFATHER film was retracted, when it turned out that Nino Rota had used the love theme in a previous film.

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Updated On: 1/27/08 at 08:53 AM

#18

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Then they are really bad producers. Especially since the song wasn't that obscure and was on the lead actor's last album.

I was surprised it got the nom at all. It shouldn't have in the first place.
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#19

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The rule about songs or scores written "directly for the screen" is actually less strict than you think.

The material can't have been "published" previously for anything not associated with that film.

And "publishing" can mean literal sheet music, a public performance (including broadcasts), or a release on recorded media. Any of those NOT associated with the film.

But songs can (and have) been written decades before they were published and used for a film. They're called "trunk" songs, so figuratively speaking, they've been lying around in a trunk (hopefully at least copyrighted), but have otherwise never seen the light of day.

Marvin Hamlisch wrote the melody for The Way We Were when he was 13 years old. He never did anything with it until he began working on the film. Then he pulled the melody out of his "trunk" and worked it into the song with lyrics by the Bergmans. And he won the Oscar for both the song and the score, using that melody.

There have been other musical disqualifications in the past. At least one big one I know of: Carmine Coppola's score to the first Godfather movie, with that haunting main theme. He had used it previously, however, (I seem to remember it was in a documentary, but I'm foggy on that), and once the Academy became aware of it, his Oscar nomination was revoked. And to answer the other question: I don't believe it was replaced with another in the category.

He did win the award the next time around for a "wholly original" score in The Godfather Part II.

EDIT: Roscoe's post mentioned this, but I'm now remembering more... Nino Rota wrote the "original music" for the Godfather, BUT Carmine Coppola wrote the famous theme used throughout the movie... AND the theme had been used previously... which disqualified the entire score and its Oscar nomination.
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Updated On: 1/27/08 at 11:32 AM

#20

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Removing this song from consideration would be a d*mn shame.
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#21

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If the nomination gets taken away, my last reason for even bothering to watch the Oscars will be gone.
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#23

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Don't worry Scott; there may not be an Oscars to watch!
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#24

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Heh, true. Maybe I won't have to even bother taking a pointless stand and boycotting.
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#25

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So what is with the gospel song from AUGUST RUSH being nominated with no writers listed--"Nominees to be determined"? That has to be a first--isn't that breaking a rule of some kind?
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