Glenn Greenwald Criticizes Obama for Caving on Telecom Immunity- Page 2

[mejusthavingfun]

Posted: 6/26/08 at 4:32pm

Why on Earth if you give a crap about this issue would you vote for John McCain? It is nonsensical.

[tazber]

Posted: 6/26/08 at 4:35pm

He didn't say he was voting for Mccain. He said he wasn't voting for Obama.

[mejusthavingfun]

Posted: 6/26/08 at 4:36pm

Well what is the other choice?

[javero]

Posted: 6/26/08 at 4:38pm

Libertarian candidate Bob Barr provided he's on your state's ballot.

[tazber]

Posted: 6/26/08 at 4:39pm

I'm not quite sure why you're not reading posts comrade.

I've said at least twice that as an American, I have the choice to write in someone if I do not feel that the other candidates are qualified.

Which I do not.

[mejusthavingfun]

Posted: 6/26/08 at 4:39pm

You got me there! Shame that pesky electoral college.

[mejusthavingfun]

Posted: 6/26/08 at 4:43pm

Taz I get what your saying but that vote then doesn't count. It is like you didn't vote at all.

You exercise that all you want, but it just doesn't matter to the process.

[JustAGuy]

Posted: 6/26/08 at 5:13pm

The whole idea of not being able to criticize a candidate when someone thinks they are wrong, because of some mythical party unity thing is BULLSH*T.

Why can't the members of the Democratic Party, tell their candidate that they think he's wrong? I think Obama is wrong on FISA, gay marriage, Health Care and probably dozens of other things. If being a Democrat means that you can't criticize the candidate, even when you think the candidate is wrong, when exactly can you criticize him. NEVER? Forget that. The time to criticize him, is before he's elected not after, if the candidate is unable to answer the criticism or unwilling to listen to his constituents then perhaps he's the wrong candidate.

[mejusthavingfun]

Posted: 6/26/08 at 5:31pm

"when exactly can you criticize him."

You can do it whenever you want. Just don't expect to win elections.

We don't have a real democracy or a decent media.



"mythical party unity "

Paljoey is the "unity" person.
Updated On: 6/26/08 at 05:31 PM

[JustAGuy]

Posted: 6/26/08 at 5:38pm

"You can do it whenever you want. Just don't expect to win elections."

And maybe, they shouldn't win the election...if the criticism is valid.

[mejusthavingfun]

Posted: 6/26/08 at 5:54pm

That'd be great if we had more than two options.

[JustAGuy]

Posted: 6/26/08 at 6:01pm

"That'd be great if we had more than two options."

And as long as everyone continues to vote either Democratic or Republican, that's all we'll ever have. To strengthen other parties, you have to vote for their candidates.

[madbrian]

Posted: 6/26/08 at 10:12pm

Dodd & Feingold were able to filibuster this to delay it beyond the July 4th holiday. They're trying to have the immunity removed from the bill.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 6/26/08 at 10:15pm

Wouldn't it be awesome if Obama helped them?

[madbrian]

Posted: 6/26/08 at 11:32pm

It would.

[Namaste]

Posted: 6/26/08 at 11:34pm

Yes. Yes, it would.

Will it happen?

Let's see... does the forecast call for snow in Hell tomorrow?

[madbrian]

Posted: 6/26/08 at 11:42pm

From his comments about his reluctant support for this bill:

"It does, however, grant retroactive immunity, and I will work in the Senate to remove this provision so that we can seek full accountability for past offenses."

He needs to live up to this.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 6/26/08 at 11:42pm

Or just learn to think before he starts making promises.

[Namaste]

Posted: 6/26/08 at 11:50pm

TREASON, PRS!

Treason, I say!

[tazber]

Posted: 6/26/08 at 11:57pm

Off to Siberia with PRS!

[Namaste]

Posted: 6/27/08 at 1:01am

And according to that "Americans are Stupid" thread, Siberia is where Australia used to be.

[tazber]

Posted: 6/27/08 at 1:05am

Well everyone knows that Australia has a communist regime.

[Namaste]

Posted: 6/27/08 at 1:06am

And the president of Al-Qaeda is Yasser Arafat.

[tazber]

Posted: 6/27/08 at 1:07am

Wait, whose ass is fat now?

[Namaste]

Posted: 6/27/08 at 1:10am

Some guy name Al with some funny last name and a diaper on his head.