#51
Posted: 6/8/10 at 3:59pm
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#52
Posted: 6/8/10 at 4:10pm
Thanks. I was looking at that earlier. I guess I was looking for something a little more simply stated, but I get that it's next to impossible with the Middle East period.
But if I'm reading it correctly, the British occupied Palestine before Israel became a state?
But if I'm reading it correctly, the British occupied Palestine before Israel became a state?
#53
Posted: 6/8/10 at 4:18pm
The recent Chud thread on the Israeli/Palestinian situation had some interesting discussion in it.
http://www.chud.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123687
http://www.chud.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123687
"The gods who nurse this universe think little of mortals' cares. They sit in crowds on exclusive clouds and laugh at our love affairs. I might have had a real romance if they'd given me a chance. I loved him, but he didn't love me. I wanted him, but he didn't want me. Then the gods had a spree and indulged in another whim. Now he loves me, but I don't love him." - Cole Porter
#54
Posted: 6/8/10 at 4:23pm
Yes. It was under Turkish control, and then British. The land was offered to various groups (including Jew) under the Balfour Declaration.
While there was migration to Israel in the late 1800's, it increased at the turn of the century. In 1896 Theodore Herzl writes The Jewish State, stating "[t]he idea which I have developed in this pamphlet is a very old one: it is the restoration of the Jewish state." Herzl is considered the Father of Zionism, a political movement to create a Jewish state. Jews began migrating to Israel at the turn of the century.
In return for supporting the Allies in WWI, the Jews were promised a "national home" within the area called Palestine.
Another shorter summary is attached.
ETA: Edit for a really bad typo!
Modern Jewish State
While there was migration to Israel in the late 1800's, it increased at the turn of the century. In 1896 Theodore Herzl writes The Jewish State, stating "[t]he idea which I have developed in this pamphlet is a very old one: it is the restoration of the Jewish state." Herzl is considered the Father of Zionism, a political movement to create a Jewish state. Jews began migrating to Israel at the turn of the century.
In return for supporting the Allies in WWI, the Jews were promised a "national home" within the area called Palestine.
Another shorter summary is attached.
ETA: Edit for a really bad typo!
Modern Jewish State
Updated On: 6/8/10 at 04:23 PM
#56
Posted: 6/8/10 at 4:35pm
In 1986 Theodore Herzl writes The Jewish State
1896 not 1986
1896 not 1986
#57
Posted: 6/8/10 at 4:37pm
Whoops - that was one heck of a typo! I will fix it.
Thanks PJ!
Thanks PJ!
#58
Posted: 6/11/10 at 5:19pm
I don't know how accurate their polling is, but they claim 74% of Palestinians are for a two-state solution.
Chuck Schumer On Gaza: 'Strangle' Them Economically, 'They Don't Believe In The Torah'
Chuck Schumer On Gaza: 'Strangle' Them Economically, 'They Don't Believe In The Torah'
#59
Posted: 6/11/10 at 5:30pm
This is a pretty good survey from 2009, and the number is far closer to 50% (actually 53%)
Money Quote:
"Not all the questions in this programme of research produced as clear and unambiguous a result as this particular set of questions. The preferred option for Israelis was the ‘Two state solution’ at 45% ‘essential or desirable’ and only 21% ‘unacceptable’ followed by the ‘Political status quo with economic development (also 45% ‘essential or desirable’ but 24% ‘unacceptable) and ‘Confederation between West Bank and Jordan and between Gaza and Egypt’ at 39% ‘essential or desirable’ and 21% ‘unacceptable’. ‘One shared state’ is 66% ‘unacceptable’ for Israelis as is a ‘Greater Israel’ at 47% ‘unacceptable’.
The first choice for Palestinians is, as might be expected ‘Historic Palestine’ at 82% ‘essential or desirable’ followed by an Islamic Waqf at 71% ‘essential or desirable’. ‘One shared state’ is rejected by Palestinians at 66% ‘unacceptable’ followed by ‘Confederation’ at 65% ‘unacceptable’ and the ‘Political status quo with economic development’ at 40% ‘unacceptable’. The Palestinian results for the ‘Two state solution are very similar to the Israeli results at 53% ‘essential or desirable’ and only 24% ‘unacceptable’. So the ‘Two state solution’ continues to be the most widely accepted option for both Israelis and Palestinians and all other options presently being considered are less likely to gain as much support in both societies as a basis for a peace agreement."
That is one of the reason elections were so problematic - if Hamas had not won, I think there would have been more progess.
2009 Survey
Money Quote:
"Not all the questions in this programme of research produced as clear and unambiguous a result as this particular set of questions. The preferred option for Israelis was the ‘Two state solution’ at 45% ‘essential or desirable’ and only 21% ‘unacceptable’ followed by the ‘Political status quo with economic development (also 45% ‘essential or desirable’ but 24% ‘unacceptable) and ‘Confederation between West Bank and Jordan and between Gaza and Egypt’ at 39% ‘essential or desirable’ and 21% ‘unacceptable’. ‘One shared state’ is 66% ‘unacceptable’ for Israelis as is a ‘Greater Israel’ at 47% ‘unacceptable’.
The first choice for Palestinians is, as might be expected ‘Historic Palestine’ at 82% ‘essential or desirable’ followed by an Islamic Waqf at 71% ‘essential or desirable’. ‘One shared state’ is rejected by Palestinians at 66% ‘unacceptable’ followed by ‘Confederation’ at 65% ‘unacceptable’ and the ‘Political status quo with economic development’ at 40% ‘unacceptable’. The Palestinian results for the ‘Two state solution are very similar to the Israeli results at 53% ‘essential or desirable’ and only 24% ‘unacceptable’. So the ‘Two state solution’ continues to be the most widely accepted option for both Israelis and Palestinians and all other options presently being considered are less likely to gain as much support in both societies as a basis for a peace agreement."
That is one of the reason elections were so problematic - if Hamas had not won, I think there would have been more progess.
2009 Survey
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