Holy cow, Dumbledore's gay! — Page 5
#103
Posted: 10/27/07 at 1:10am
Speaking of there being more love in the world, two of my best friends are doing their part to preserve the sanctity of marriage and got engaged tonight! Dumbledore would have been proud.
yr ronin,
joey
joey
#104
Posted: 10/27/07 at 1:24am
Good for your friends, Ronin!
Ain't love grand?
Ain't love grand?
#106
Posted: 10/27/07 at 4:30am
We were comparing my headmaster with Dumbledore before a Greek class started the other day, and one of the girls in my class (who I actually get along with very well), said "Oh, yeah, I heard that too! I can't believe Rowling would pervert kids books by doing that."
Get a grip.
Get a grip.
The rain we knew is a thing of the past -
deep-delving, dark, deliberate you would say
browsing on spire and bogland; but today
our sky-blue slates are steaming in the sun,
our yachts tinkling and dancing in the bay
like racehorses. We contemplate at last
shining windows, a future forbidden to no one.
Derek Mahon
"Maybe all one can do is hope to end up with the right regrets."
Arthur Miller
deep-delving, dark, deliberate you would say
browsing on spire and bogland; but today
our sky-blue slates are steaming in the sun,
our yachts tinkling and dancing in the bay
like racehorses. We contemplate at last
shining windows, a future forbidden to no one.
Derek Mahon
"Maybe all one can do is hope to end up with the right regrets."
Arthur Miller
#107
Posted: 10/27/07 at 5:08pm
I agree with Siren. So many of these elaborate arguments condemning Rowling for "revising" the books post-publication seem (to me) like covers for an inability to reconcile/uncomfortability with the "new" Dumbledore. The subtext is there, especially in retrospect, and Rowling merely clarified when a fan asked her a question. Certainly this is no different than Rowling explaining the writing on the graves or meanings to the name - Dumbledore's sexuality didn't happen after the books concluded. A direct statement that Dumbledore's gay clarifies part of the 7th book that could be perceived as ambiguous (Dumbledore's relationship with Grindelwald), but otherwise? Sexuality isn't the dominant theme of the Harry Potter books - if Rowling didn't specifically saying, "so-and-so is straight," it would make no sense if she made a big to-do over explaining who's gay.
#108
Posted: 10/27/07 at 5:14pm
I liked this article by Mark Harris in Entertainment Weekly:
"It's often said that if every gay person in the world were to turn purple overnight, homophobia would disappear: In other words, fewer people would be inclined to vilify other human beings if they woke up one day and discovered that they'd been aiming stones at their college roommate, their aunt, their grocer, or their grandson. Statistics bear this out: People who have a gay family member or friend have more enlightened attitudes about homosexuality than those who don't. What Rowling has done, brilliantly, is to turn Dumbledore purple. She didn't reveal his sexuality in order to unlock a new way of reading the books, or as a provocation. She simply told the world that a main character in the best-loved books of the last 10 years is homosexual, and asked her audience to contend with it — and with the fact that it shouldn't matter. And her choice to make a beloved professor-mentor gay in a world where gay teachers are still routinely slandered as malign influences was, I am certain, no accident.
In addition to the braying of hatemongers, there's already been some umbrage taken at the appropriateness of Rowling's decision to uncork this news in front of children, a brand of sanctimony for which I have no patience. At least one out of 25 of those children will eventually self-identify as homosexual. The other 24, having made their way through an epic series that includes multiple murders, demonic possession, and the psychic toll of having mentally ill parents, will, I imagine, be able to handle the bulletin that some people are gay, and will likely benefit from the richer understanding of the world that such knowledge provides."
Full article link.
"It's often said that if every gay person in the world were to turn purple overnight, homophobia would disappear: In other words, fewer people would be inclined to vilify other human beings if they woke up one day and discovered that they'd been aiming stones at their college roommate, their aunt, their grocer, or their grandson. Statistics bear this out: People who have a gay family member or friend have more enlightened attitudes about homosexuality than those who don't. What Rowling has done, brilliantly, is to turn Dumbledore purple. She didn't reveal his sexuality in order to unlock a new way of reading the books, or as a provocation. She simply told the world that a main character in the best-loved books of the last 10 years is homosexual, and asked her audience to contend with it — and with the fact that it shouldn't matter. And her choice to make a beloved professor-mentor gay in a world where gay teachers are still routinely slandered as malign influences was, I am certain, no accident.
In addition to the braying of hatemongers, there's already been some umbrage taken at the appropriateness of Rowling's decision to uncork this news in front of children, a brand of sanctimony for which I have no patience. At least one out of 25 of those children will eventually self-identify as homosexual. The other 24, having made their way through an epic series that includes multiple murders, demonic possession, and the psychic toll of having mentally ill parents, will, I imagine, be able to handle the bulletin that some people are gay, and will likely benefit from the richer understanding of the world that such knowledge provides."
Full article link.
#109
Posted: 10/27/07 at 5:22pm
I think that EW article clearly states how I feel about it, quite nice.
I stand corrected, you are as vapid as they say.
#110
Posted: 10/27/07 at 5:39pm
Smarty - and then there are the comments that followed it! Reading those gave me the same feeling as after the '04 election - I thought we had made more progress
#111
Good for him, and really...
Who cares? Does it make a difference?
See! That's how it works.
Posted: 10/27/07 at 5:53pm
Good for him, and really...
Who cares? Does it make a difference?
See! That's how it works.
"TheatreDiva90016 - another good reason to frequent these boards less."<<>>
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#114
Posted: 10/28/07 at 10:00pm
DG--excellent article!
#115
Posted: 10/29/07 at 8:34am
Bill Maher on Dumbledore being gay...
"I don't give two fingleberries and an McSH*Ttol that Dumbledore is gay. What concerns me is adults who read 800-page books about magic schoolboys, and then try to talk to me about it. If I had the slightest interest in homosexuals with powers, I'd be a Republican."
Priceless.
"I don't give two fingleberries and an McSH*Ttol that Dumbledore is gay. What concerns me is adults who read 800-page books about magic schoolboys, and then try to talk to me about it. If I had the slightest interest in homosexuals with powers, I'd be a Republican."
Priceless.
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