#51
Posted: 9/20/05 at 7:00pm
Heehee. Lashon Hara. That means "the bad tongue."
Updated On: 9/20/05 at 07:00 PM
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#52
Posted: 9/20/05 at 7:03pm
I think there's a difference between speculation - "Oooh, if he was, I'd be first in line" - and outright gossip, especially when it's simply interpretation and innuendo.
I have problems when it's presented as, "There's no way he CAN'T be!" It certainly isn't because I think it's a bad thing to be gay - please - but I believe in people being entitled to the honesty of their own existences.
What it boils down to for me is that I find it offensive when some people basically call him a liar - which is how I interpret it when I see thoughts expressed like, "I don't care what he says, he obviously is because I think he is."
I have problems when it's presented as, "There's no way he CAN'T be!" It certainly isn't because I think it's a bad thing to be gay - please - but I believe in people being entitled to the honesty of their own existences.
What it boils down to for me is that I find it offensive when some people basically call him a liar - which is how I interpret it when I see thoughts expressed like, "I don't care what he says, he obviously is because I think he is."
#53
Posted: 9/20/05 at 7:03pm
How can there be "open, honest" discussion when performers refuse to admit who they are? And I think that it is rather naive to say that these people (straight or gay) deserve privacy--they are publicity hounds when it suits them to be.
#54
Posted: 9/20/05 at 7:07pm
This is starting to sound suspiciously like "two wrongs make a right." They employ publicists, so we should peer nastily into their bedrooms?
#55
Posted: 9/20/05 at 7:07pm
In this case, I believe he has admitted who he is.
"Two drifters off to see the world. There's such a lot of world to see. . ."
#56
Posted: 9/20/05 at 7:10pm
Nope--but how can they expect to court the press only when it suits them, when they have something to plug? Once that door is opened...
There are many fine actors, by the way, who don't court the press, or look for publicity. Of course, they are also not as "successful." (Thinking of folks like Philip Seymour Hoffman).
There are many fine actors, by the way, who don't court the press, or look for publicity. Of course, they are also not as "successful." (Thinking of folks like Philip Seymour Hoffman).
#57
Posted: 9/20/05 at 7:11pm
Lots of thoughts to what's been said:
1. tons of photos get taken of closeted celebs---and most get bought off. The rest, the photogs/media are blackmailed and threatened to not publish them. It's the big no no in Hollywood--you don't out sexual orientation, but most everything else is fair game
2. The desire for the Tom Cruises and Hugh Jackmans of the world to come out (if they are gay) comes from the validation that comes from celebs coming out. Makes it hard to hate when someone you admire is gay. Breaks down stereotypes. Etc.
3. Sometimes some of us in or close enough to the biz know for a fact that a celeb is gay. But, at the same time confidentiality is something that should be respected.
4. If someone does something in public, it should be fair game.
5. Closeted people who try to hurt the gay community SHOULD be outted, though it surely only looks bad for gays and lesbians that someone so despicable is gay.
1. tons of photos get taken of closeted celebs---and most get bought off. The rest, the photogs/media are blackmailed and threatened to not publish them. It's the big no no in Hollywood--you don't out sexual orientation, but most everything else is fair game
2. The desire for the Tom Cruises and Hugh Jackmans of the world to come out (if they are gay) comes from the validation that comes from celebs coming out. Makes it hard to hate when someone you admire is gay. Breaks down stereotypes. Etc.
3. Sometimes some of us in or close enough to the biz know for a fact that a celeb is gay. But, at the same time confidentiality is something that should be respected.
4. If someone does something in public, it should be fair game.
5. Closeted people who try to hurt the gay community SHOULD be outted, though it surely only looks bad for gays and lesbians that someone so despicable is gay.
Updated On: 9/20/05 at 07:11 PM
#58
Posted: 9/20/05 at 7:12pm
"Nope--but how can they expect to court the press only when it suits them, when they have something to plug?"
gymman - that's the business of it. When they have something to plug it's their business. The business of the world of entertainment.
gymman - that's the business of it. When they have something to plug it's their business. The business of the world of entertainment.
"Two drifters off to see the world. There's such a lot of world to see. . ."
Updated On: 9/20/05 at 07:12 PM
#59
Posted: 9/20/05 at 7:16pm
JRB--So true--Rock Hudson was an open secret, for example, in the gay world, yet he was never outed, per se. Ditto Tab Hunter, Roddy McDowell, many others of that era, because it would have ruined their careers (and how would they have been "outed" anyway?)
But the world, sadly, is a different place--what Luc Sante calls "The Society of the Spectacle" where existence is validated only when we see ourselves reflected in celebrity. That's why openly gay actors are so important to the gay community at large.
But the world, sadly, is a different place--what Luc Sante calls "The Society of the Spectacle" where existence is validated only when we see ourselves reflected in celebrity. That's why openly gay actors are so important to the gay community at large.
#60
Posted: 9/20/05 at 7:18pm
"That's why openly gay actors are so important to the gay community at large"
I couldn't agree more. Openly.
I couldn't agree more. Openly.
"Two drifters off to see the world. There's such a lot of world to see. . ."
#61
Posted: 9/20/05 at 7:19pm
That's what I mean, though, NYadgal--there is no line between the personal and the professional--it's all one (and why, say, Madonna is so big--she's brilliant at exploiting the celebrity as real person thing). Hell, that's what Oprah does every time she has a celeb on, whether they are selling a product or not (they themslves are their own commodities.)
#62
Posted: 9/20/05 at 7:22pm
But should that apply to all celebrities? Or only to those who choose to make their personal lives the commodity?
#63
Posted: 9/20/05 at 7:24pm
I agree that your two examples (Oprah and Madonna) are brilliant at exploiting the celebrity as real person thing. But, as you stated with the example of Philip Seymour Hoffman, not all of them do court the press.
The actors who choose to keep aspects of their lives private, and participate in the publicity aspect of their business when they have a product which needs to be sold draw a line which should be respected.
I believe there IS a line between personal and professional. If Madonna and Oprah want to cross it, they are certainly entitled. But that doesn't mean that the others are fair game.
The actors who choose to keep aspects of their lives private, and participate in the publicity aspect of their business when they have a product which needs to be sold draw a line which should be respected.
I believe there IS a line between personal and professional. If Madonna and Oprah want to cross it, they are certainly entitled. But that doesn't mean that the others are fair game.
"Two drifters off to see the world. There's such a lot of world to see. . ."
#64
Posted: 9/20/05 at 7:28pm
I hope you guys defend me when the media and message boards go after whether or not I'm gay!!
LMAO--LIKE I could go back in the closet if I wanted to!!
LMAO--LIKE I could go back in the closet if I wanted to!!
#65
Posted: 9/20/05 at 7:28pm
Are you saying that we actually know what Madonna or Oprah are like in their daily lives based on what is publicized?
And I saw that Addy made a comment that Mr. Jackman has gone on record as saying he is not gay - not in any hurtful way, but in acknowledgement of the questions that arise. I'm curious why that isn't honored?
And I saw that Addy made a comment that Mr. Jackman has gone on record as saying he is not gay - not in any hurtful way, but in acknowledgement of the questions that arise. I'm curious why that isn't honored?
#66
Posted: 9/20/05 at 7:30pm
Mr. Jackman has gone on record as saying he is not gay - not in any hurtful way, but in acknowledgement of the questions that arise. I'm curious why that isn't honored?
Good point, DG. He "put that out there," so doesn't that make it fair game, too? Just the fact that he said it?
Unfortunately, it's not honored over what people want to see because it's not as gossipy.
I'll go back to watching now. I played this game yesterday.
A work of art is an invitation to love.
Good point, DG. He "put that out there," so doesn't that make it fair game, too? Just the fact that he said it?
Unfortunately, it's not honored over what people want to see because it's not as gossipy.
I'll go back to watching now. I played this game yesterday.
Updated On: 9/20/05 at 07:30 PM
#67
Posted: 9/20/05 at 7:31pm
Whether or not Hugh is a mo (a hughmosexual Haaaa!), he has said many wonderful things that most stars wouldn't have the guts to. For one--that he wouldn't want homophobes for fans.
#68
Posted: 9/20/05 at 7:33pm
I promise I will never out JRB (as long as he pays me off, somehow).
Seriously, this is an exhilerating discussion, and I want to thank you all for the stimulation. I have almost given up on this Board with the number of childish posts, but you all restore my faith!
Seriously, this is an exhilerating discussion, and I want to thank you all for the stimulation. I have almost given up on this Board with the number of childish posts, but you all restore my faith!
#69
Posted: 9/20/05 at 7:33pm
Damn! Jerby's gay?
*revises list of five*
And, DG, I'm not saying that I know what Madonna or Oprah are like in their daily lives, but both have discussed aspects of their "personal" lives in very public forums. Other celebrities (Billy Crudup comes to mind) refuse to engage in any conversation regarding their personal, private lives when conducting interviews for their professional endeavors.
*revises list of five*
And, DG, I'm not saying that I know what Madonna or Oprah are like in their daily lives, but both have discussed aspects of their "personal" lives in very public forums. Other celebrities (Billy Crudup comes to mind) refuse to engage in any conversation regarding their personal, private lives when conducting interviews for their professional endeavors.
"Two drifters off to see the world. There's such a lot of world to see. . ."
#70
Posted: 9/20/05 at 7:34pm
wait wait wait wait--emcee are you really saying that his answer should end all speculation??
I realize that if someone says they are straight, I should treat them as such. But, I'm allowed to think, "hmm Hmm--just wait a year or two". And knowing that stars HAVE to say they aren't, I'm allowed to imagine the truth.
OJ says he didn't kill his wife. MJJ says he didn't touch a kid. Angelina says she didn't sleep with Pitt during the filming. And, yet we are supposed to just take people's statements as the last word?
I realize that if someone says they are straight, I should treat them as such. But, I'm allowed to think, "hmm Hmm--just wait a year or two". And knowing that stars HAVE to say they aren't, I'm allowed to imagine the truth.
OJ says he didn't kill his wife. MJJ says he didn't touch a kid. Angelina says she didn't sleep with Pitt during the filming. And, yet we are supposed to just take people's statements as the last word?
#71
Posted: 9/20/05 at 7:34pm
He's also said that kissing a man isn't any different than kissing a woman he isn't attracted to for a movie- it's all acting. (This in response to the idiotic goading of one of those crones on The View.)
So yeah, it's especially discouraging that a perfectly gay-friendly actor gets hit with spite.
So yeah, it's especially discouraging that a perfectly gay-friendly actor gets hit with spite.
Updated On: 9/20/05 at 07:34 PM
#72
Posted: 9/20/05 at 7:35pm
So why is it permissable to snidely say, "Of course he is, because I say so."
Again, I have no problem with someone saying "I think he's gay." - if it's an open topic of discussion. I have a problem with someone basically saying, "You're a liar."
Again, I have no problem with someone saying "I think he's gay." - if it's an open topic of discussion. I have a problem with someone basically saying, "You're a liar."
#73
Posted: 9/20/05 at 7:35pm
Oh--another thing: there was quite a debate a few months ago about what exactly it means to be "out." Some ar known to be pretty openly gay (David Hyde Pierce, Neil Patrick Harris) but they were not considered "out" because they have never explicitly outed themselves. A fine dilemma, indeed!
#74
Posted: 9/20/05 at 7:38pm
No, of course not, jrb. Because for all I know, he's just trying to quell the drama. But it's just oddly unbalanced that people will run with one statement and almost completley ignore another, when the two may as well have pretty equal weight -- or, in this case, ignore a statement over a speculative idea.
A work of art is an invitation to love.
#75
Posted: 9/20/05 at 7:38pm
I know plenty of gay people who aren't out. It's their choice. I don't see why it's a dilemma.
"Two drifters off to see the world. There's such a lot of world to see. . ."
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