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So, how DO you feel about their desire to take away women's reproductive freedom?

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You're antiabortion, for the most part? Don't you realize that if Bush is reelected, it will be no abortions, period. So, if a women were to get raped and become pregnant, she will have to have the baby. Bush has enough trouble with the no children left behind act as it is, imagine how many more children will be left behind, if every woman who gets raped and becomes pregnant must have her child.
Not only will there be more kids, but your body will no longer be yours. I thought this was a free country, I guess I was wrong.

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interesting.
So we're educating people by teaching them not to have sex in the first place.
Ok! Let's make abortion illegal.
Now, next step. Marriage is in shambles. We're already going to get rid of those silly gays...I've got it!
Let's really teach people what it means to committ into a marriage for life. And, to really shove it home, let's outlaw divorce!
Hell, it's all Biblical. If you're going to tell me God says no killing babies in the womb, don't try telling me he's content with the divorce rate in this country.

I think that it's horrible that they don't have to face the final consequence, they can just go and have the baby killed

I have been staying out of this for a while, but I would like to ask a question regarding the above statement. It's not the first time I read on this board about these teenage mothers "having to face the consequences of their actions". I would like to know what you think about the children who have to exist simply as an example or to teach a lesson. By all means, we need to do better at conducting comprehensive sex education. And if we can do *that* right, we wouldn't need to make abortion illegal.

Updated On: 9/1/04 at 12:29 AM

The right-wing philosophy toward human sexuality and its consequences: God has willed that you must only be attracted to the opposite sex--and then, once attracted, do absoltely zero about it until you meet The Only One For You. Until then, yo have but a single option--to just say no; under no circumstances should you have useful information to self-protect, because that alone will entice you to sin. And if in a rare moment of weakness under the influence of a liberal atheist heathen you do sin, you must have your baby and pay for your transgression against nature for life, raising your child to be a good, God-fearing Christian--at every waking moment teaching him/her to do not as you did (conceiving a child in sinful moment of "mistake") but as you say. Thus is the life-affirming circle of life. To behave in any other way -- say, to very responsibly look out for yourself, and not bring more unwanted children onto our crowded planet -- is to embrace decadance and worship the Anti-Christ. Amen.

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Updated On: 9/1/04 at 09:14 AM

I had to gasp at his comment about those who are complaining about the economy being 'economic girlie men'

What century is he living in and on what planet?

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Rath - at the very least, I think most people view the birthing process as a transition. I'm not sure any but the deranged would blur the boundary you're talking about.

I'm actually staggered that nowadays people would want to ban a womens right to choose. Think of all the unwanted children which would be born if this were to happen. You actually would want kids born into families who can't afford them, don't want them, or because of illness or drug dependency can't take care of them? That to me is a bigger obscenity.

I don't understand Republicans. They care so much before a child is born, but once it's born, they are on there own. Cut day care money, cut programs to get parents off drugs, cut after school activities, cut so many more social programs.

Also, why are Republicans who are against abortions also against birth control?

Updated On: 9/1/04 at 10:09 AM

Teenage pregnancy is traumatic to begin with - from the moment the girl is aware of her situation. It's just a progression of the trauma to conceal it, and then not allow the child to live. I don't think they're thinking as clearly as you're giving them credit for.

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"Has anyone else ever wondered about the fact that given that abortion is so prevalent and talked-about, that some of these teenage girls don't see a newborn baby as any different from a fetus?"

No, I have personally never wondered about that. Because that is not what is happening when people give birth, (like that young woman at the prom who left the baby in the toilet). My boss had a roommate in college who was a large young woman who was pregnant and nobody knew. This was back in the glory days before Roe v. Wade, so legal safe abortions were not an option. This woman gave birth in the rest room in the dorm and abandoned the baby in a trash can. She completely disassociated and was so traumatized by giving birth in a bathroom stall and had been in such denial about being pregnant in the first place that she really had no memory of what happened after the most severe pain began. This is what trauma does to the human psyche.

And Guen, I'm really shocked that you, a lesbian, would actually seek to limit other women's reproductive freedom because of a personal belief about abortion. You notice, I never mentioned abortion, I mentioned reproductive freedom. You don't honestly think that goons that control your Republican party today have any plans to stop at abortion in restricting that freedom, do you? Check out how the CDC website has been purged of any mention of condoms at all during the Bush administration. The people behind the stop abortion movement are against birth control at all. Randall Terry, the deposed and ruined head of Operation Rescue considered the pill to be abortive as well. The pill!

So, I would do my best, if I were you Guen, to think about other people in the world and whether or not the choices you would make should be forced on others. If you are capable of that kind of empathy.

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Wait - LG, you're a lesbian? I missed that somewhere along the line - I must start paying more attention.

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Per Namo's remarks on the Pill: Last night NBC ran a piece on a growing trend among born-again pharmacists--refusing to fill a prescription for contraception. One woman refused to deal with the morning after -- and quit her post. But another man wouldn't fill birth control of ANY kind. What startled me was the head of some pharmacist association who said "we have to respect their religious beliefs..." Why? What about the patient's? What business it is of theirs what's between a doctor and patient? A pharmacist thinks he/she has the right to intervene about STOPPING an unwanted pregnancy? So a Christian Scientist pharmacist can refuse to give you ... ANYTHING because of his beliefs?!

Everyone,go back to Margaret Atwood's novel, The Handmaid's Tale. Prophetic, that, more than we knew.

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Updated On: 9/1/04 at 10:35 AM

Not TOO perky. She's a little young...it's just interesting that I never noticed the conversation before...

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