I hate to bring war/politics up on the board..... — Page 2

Osama is the one who scares the **** out of me. He is articulate, intelligent, and his following is based on choice rather than on his being the official leader of a country (no matter how that leadership was secured). It seems to me that bin Laden is a charismatic leader to his followers, and even has some cachet' among Arab peoples who find him too extreme. Saddam was a brute; a thug who rule by brute force rather than imparting a philosophy. He's a scary, scary man, and we've been focused elsewhere while he's out there doing his thing. Yet, weeks go by with no mention of him in the news. I'd be willing to bet that a random poll across the country would show that at least 50% think that we've gone a long way toward paying back for and protecting against future 9/11's. Al Qaida was no fan of Saddam's, but I'm sure they're more than willing to be pissed off by his capture and upcoming trial. It will be parlayed into a call to arms because the Arab world has been attacked.

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It's a little funny...all this footage of Saddam getting a free dental exam when most Americans can't afford one.

I usually get my news from BBC, but sometimes it's so biased against the US. I get enough US bashing here in my own country. It gets very old very fast. No matter who the president is, he'll be hated and reviled by every country including ours. It doesn't matter who we vote for, we'll just spend the next 4-8 years bashing his every decision. The press has made it an acceptable habit in this country and the other countries have followed suit. If they're not bashing us, then they bash their leaders for supporting us. It's so depressing.

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"The press has made it an acceptable habit in this country "

You don't think the US press is extremely kind to President Bush??

The press is the first to stir up mixed feelings about any politician. They'll spend 30 seconds on one good thing he's accomplished and then next 10 days focusing on a fault. If the topic of Clinton comes up, we think of his affair and trial. With Reagan, it's senility and conservatism. With Nixon, it's Watergate (yes, he screwed up there, but his foreign affairs in China are all but forgotten). The press loves to breed cynism because if everyone was happy, then there would be less to talk about. I'm all for freedom of speech and I know peace is a pipedream, but the cynicism in this country has grown leaps and bounds over the last decade and it's getting a little frightening. It's almost as though no one really wants good news or has anything nice to say any more.

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I find this all extremely humorous. Some man on the television said somethig to the degree "The trial to come will show an example to all the terrorists what will eventually happen to them." Isn't the US the one who put him power? Weren't we pro-Saddam once upon a time? This all reminds me so much of WICKED.

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To each his own - I could not vote for Hillary under any circumstances but if she does it for you fine.

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Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Bubba was never called "the enemy" or worse than Saddam or Bin Laden. No ones feelings will be changed so we will agree to disagree. Bubba had Bin Laden on a silver platter & turned down the Sudanese. Imagine Bush doing this

Question: Why won't Dean release his records when he was govenor ?Maybe he does not want it to come out that he cozied up to big insurance companies in his state ( for tax benefits) . Oh, I forgot, only big bad republicans cozy up to big business. As far as Hallibuton, Clinton employed this company as well

2004 will be an interesting year.Until the Democrats start discussing issues instead of their constant ranting & raving at Bush, they are doomed. Even fellow Democrats realize Dean is not mainstream & is leading his party to a electoral disaster

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First of all...who's Bubba??

Listen...I'm not a huge fan of Clinton either. He made a lot of mistakes. But to say he didn't stir up the frenzy that Bush has is completely INSANE!
Bush has ties to the Bin Laden family, lets the Saudi's get away with anything, has Halburton rebuilding Iraq and no one in the press says ANYTHING! Oh wait! I almost forgot! He's also taken away our right to privacy with The Patriot Act. All that and "Bubba" gets impeached for oral sex! Yes..Clinton did worse things in office than oral sex but Roxy..like you learn on the schoolyard playground...two wrongs do not make a right.
Mister Matt...you make the case that the media spends 30 seconds praising a politician and then 10 days talking about all the bad things they have done. Please tell me when this has happened to President Bush! That must be on a channel or in a newspaper I don't get. I mean...the press could go crazy on anything I mentioned above, not to mention the huge national deficit he's created (who's gonna pay for that!), but when have you heard more than a 10 second blip about it.
Remember after 9/11...when no one could fly anywhere? President Bush decides to fly members of the Bin Laden family (who he's had several business interests with in the past) out of the country without even letting the FBI question them! (If you want more info about that you can PM me). Now can you even imagine what would have happened if Clinton did that? I mean that man got crucified over a real estate deal and improper use of cigars!
But I watched the news today and Saddam has been captured...everything will be OK now. MSNBC told me so.

Re The Patriot Act

Check & you will see that all the whoop te do about it infringing on rights is hot air

I do not think we should be checking 80 year old grandmothers for knitting needles or tall blond swedes. Who committed 9/11 & almost every other terrorist act? Hint, they came from the middle east. If I was from that area I would expect to be profiled & would accept it & not get my nipples in a twist over it.

As far as trampling on rights, it must be comforting to the widows of those killed on 9/11 that all their loved ones rights were intact when they were incinerated when the planes hit. I would rather be alive with some rights alledgedly curtailed than dead with all my rights intact. I think those victims on 9/11 would feel the same way

For over 2 plus years we have not been hit. Guaranteed one of the 9 democratic candidates ( a clueless ex govenor, a racial arsonist, a big city mayor who is totally looney toons to name but a few )gets in & they will undo all the work done so far & we will get hit again. Next time we may not be so lucky

The terrorists have declared war on the US . To put your head in the sand & think otherwise is suicidal. Listening to Dean rant & rave something makes me think of a raving madman . I shudder to think of the consequences if he gets in. Forget that your taxes will go thru the roof but the terrorists will be salivating if he is elected.

End of discussion from my end . If you do not agree that is your prerogative but can we at least not start throwing labels around. Most on this board disagree with me. That is fine. I accept that & deal with it.I disagree with you. I think you are wrong but have a right to say it & vote for whoever you want to. I respect your views but disagree. All I ask is the same in return

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yeah, you cannot find anyone else on the board that does that...

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wow, THAT was easy.

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VERY easy

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