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#127

re: in polite society, never discuss religion, politics or liam

re: in polite society, never discuss religion, politics or liam

An interesting book on the what psychologists call "Factitious Disorder."

Patients with this disorder knowingly fake symptoms, but do so for psychological reasons not for monetary or other discrete objectives as in the case of Malingering.

They usually prefer the sick role and may move from hospital to hospital in order to receive care. They are usually loners with an early childhood background of trauma and deprivation.

They are unable to establish close interpersonal relationships and generally have severe personality disorders. Unlike many malingerers, they follow through with medical procedures and are at risk for drug addiction and for the complications of multiple operations

In the more severe form known as Münchhausen syndrome, a series of successive hospitalizations becomes a lifelong pattern. Factitious disorder is distinguished from malingering where there is external motivation for the symptom production, a patient with a factitious disorder intentionally produces physical symptoms without external incentives.

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PLAYING SICK?: Untangling the Web of Munchausen Syndrome, Munchausen by Proxy, Malingering,and Factitious Disorder

Taken from cases from real patients, "Playing Sick?" addresses the impact of phony illnesses, factitious disorders, and Munchausen syndrome on patients and caregivers. Provides clues for helping practitioners and family members for recognizing these disorders, avoid invasive procedures, and sort out possible motives.

When a person fakes illness or injury to satisfy emotional needs, doctors and family members are lured into a costly, frustrating, and potentially deadly web of deceit.

Taken from bizarre cases of real patients, Playing Sick? is the first book to chronicle the devastating impact of phony illnesses--factitious disorders and Munchausen syndrome--on patients and caregivers alike.

Psychiatrist Marc Feldman describes patients' strange motivations, from malingerers who invent chronic back pain to avoid work to mothers who demand major abdominal surgery for their healthy children because they derive perverse pleasure from medical attention. Self-induced bleeding, fake fevers, and even a bogus asthma attack so convincing that doctors rush the patient to ICU are the stock in trade of patients with these disorders. Practitioners are deeply disturbed by these patients, angry about the time and resources they consume but nervous about confronting them with the truth.

Based on years of research and clinical practice, Playing Sick? provides the clues that can help practitioners and family members recognize these disorders, avoid invasive procedures, and sort out the motives that drive people to hurt themselves and deceive others. With insight and years of hands-on experience, Feldman shows how to get these emotionally ill patients the psychiatric help they need.
Playing Sick?: Untangling the Web of Munchausen Syndrome, Munchausen by Proxy, Malingering,and Factitious Disorder


#131

re: in polite society, never discuss religion, politics or liam

Am I the only one or is DOUBT really springing to mind right now? I admit I haven't seen it, but I know the plot.

My avatar is a reminder to myself. I need lots of reminders...

Updated On: 4/6/05 at 07:21 PM

#132

re: in polite society, never discuss religion, politics or liam

ohio must be softening me up because i just laughed my a** off, paljoey.
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#133

re: in polite society, never discuss religion, politics or liam

Is the Playing Sick post supposed to be about Liam? I'm very familiar with Munchausen Syndrome as I lived with family member for 15 years who had it. Liam shows no signs of Munchausen at all. Not even close. People with Munchausen generally are pessimistic and negative, alienating those around them. Their "illnesses" are usually of a physical nature, not psychological and they thrive on medical attention. When they are told there is nothing wrong with them, they become highly agitated and will seek repeated medical attention until they get what they want. They are usually not happy unless they can find a reason to be miserable and receive sympathy. My grandmother would have been the prime subject for any book on Munchausen's Syndrome.

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Updated On: 4/6/05 at 07:46 PM

#135

re: in polite society, never discuss religion, politics or liam

Well, lordy, lordy, lordy, Mr. Mambo. I'm glad I made you laugh you a** off.

But don't THINK laughing at a posting makes amends for accusations of matricide. That requires a separate thread in which a public apology is made. And I don't think hell has frozen over enough for you to do that--even in Ohio.
#138

re: in polite society, never discuss religion, politics or liam

oh hell won't be freezing over anytime soon, nor did i think any ammends were being offered or solicited. but that was/is funny as sh*t.
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.

...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty

pray to st. jude

i'm a sonic reducer

he was the gimmicky sort

fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#140

re: in polite society, never discuss religion, politics or liam

PalJoey - I know that. Anyone who reads the first half of your post could decipher that. Regardless, none of them apply to Liam. Shot in the dark.

MamaMiaSammy2 - Good one! LOL

"What can you expect from a bunch of seitan worshippers?" - Reginald Tresilian

Updated On: 4/6/05 at 08:48 PM

#141

re: in polite society, never discuss religion, politics or liam

PalJoey I would appreciate it if you would spell out clearly why you think Liam is an impostor. You keep saying you think he is, but you are not offering anything better than circumstantial evidence. I don't get it.

Let's say he is faking this for purely hypothetical purposes. If you uncover him and you are right and all is right with the world.

Now let's take into account the more plausible explanation given all the evidence and witnesses present. He does have a disability and is at an age where "fitting in" is the thing that every kid longs for. I'm not saying Liam is unstable, but is it really a good idea to be trying to break him into admitting he is a fraud? If he is 14 years old then he probably already feels alienated enough by his classmates.

I am sorry, even if Liam were faking this which I do not believe, I am not willing to pull this crap on him when there is a chance there is a kid with a fragile ego. I have seen to many people in my classes growing up suffer other people's self-righteousness and bring those kids to do things no one would want to drive someone to. It's not worth it.
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#142

re: in polite society, never discuss religion, politics or liam

let's call the whaaambulance...

I'll say what I've said before... we all have to laugh at ourselves sometimes. If Liam wants to play with the big kids, he's gonna have to deal with it. Sure none of us should be cruel, but there's all types of crap said on here. If it was hurting that bad, he'd go away because it'd be too painful to be here. Instead, like so many of us, Liam, whether a child or an imposter, enjoys being the topic of so much discussion.
#143

re: in polite society, never discuss religion, politics or liam

Outside of a clinical purpose I can't imagine what would motivate someone to ask if another has contemplated suicide.

Here's a question for you, munk, have you read the guidelines? Especially the top of the list?

Oh, and I agree, it's beyond you.
Rest in peace, Iflitifloat.
#144

re: in polite society, never discuss religion, politics or liam

MaTakeALookAtMe - "Instead, like so many of us, Liam, whether a child or an imposter, enjoys being the topic of so much discussion."

I would believe that if he started more topics about himself or even participated even more in the discussions about himself. But his behavior has not been as narcissistic as your screen name. And Liam has laughed at himself quite a few times, if you pay attention.

"If Liam wants to play with the big kids, he's gonna have to deal with it."

Ah! You speak Bully! Truth is, the "big kids" on this board range from preteen to 80+, so you're gonna have to narrow it down a bit. There is no age requirement, so the "play with the big kids" thing doesn't really make any sense here. As I've said before, Liam doesn't provoke others. He is provoked by others higher in age and lower in maturity.

"Sure none of us should be cruel, but there's all types of crap said on here."

Well, I guess that makes it all ok then.

"What can you expect from a bunch of seitan worshippers?" - Reginald Tresilian

Updated On: 4/6/05 at 10:09 PM

#145

re: in polite society, never discuss religion, politics or liam

Liam provokes? Grow up, you so-called adults. If a teenager who can't spell is enough to get you in such a tizzy, you need to get your priorities in order.

PalJoey, your Inspector Javert act got old about 5 minutes after you unveiled it. Spare us.
#146

re: in polite society, never discuss religion, politics or liam

Mister Matt..Wow..never realized my screen name made me sound narcissistic. But I will admit that I do admit I enjoy being the center of attention at times, as so many of us do...

And, in case you didn't notice, I've never said that Liam provoked anyone. But I do think he has a lot of fun on here.

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