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[Zeppie2022]

Posted: 8/1/24 at 10:36am

https://nypost.com/2024/08/01/sports/imane-khelif-forces-opponent-to-quit-46-seconds-into-fight-after-gender-storm/

Biological man fighting woman in boxing has to stop before woman boxer is killed. One thing to lose unfair competition, another to suffer possible life threatening injury or death. Please read article and then ask yourself if this should continue.

Updated On: 10/12/24 at 10:36 AM

[kdogg36]

Posted: 8/1/24 at 12:01pm

My understanding is that many international organizations have objective criteria for competing in women's sports. These criteria have, at times, even excluded athletes who are indisputably cisgender women, just with atypical physiological profiles. Whether you think that's fair or not, it might well be necessary for reasons of safety or balanced competition, and it's certainly within the rights of these organizations to establish and enforce these criteria. I personally have no problem with this at all, so long as any tests are applied consistently to all women, cis and trans, who wish to compete.

My further understanding is that Khelif met the criteria set by the current Olympics but did not meet the criteria for a previous tournament. It is way beyond my pay grade to even speculate on which set of criteria is more appropriate. 

Updated On: 8/1/24 at 12:01 PM

[kdogg36]

Posted: 8/1/24 at 1:04pm

Alternate reply: how many transwomen getting murdered is it going to take before people stop spreading right-wing talking points designed to depict transpeople as dangerous aggressors rather than members of a small, vulnerable, widely disfavored minority group?

[Highland Guy]

Posted: 8/1/24 at 2:19pm

Some years ago, I was on staff at an organization providing assistance to our Rainbow Communities.  I soon recognized that our Trans clients were among the bravest I have known.  And among the most hated and abused, as well.

Both athletes were ruled by the IOC to be eligible in all manners to fight each other.  The boxer who withdrew soon into the bout had the right not to participate.  That should have been the end of the story.

Threads such as this, beginning with its MAGA-friendly Subject Line, add to the difficulties experienced by our Trans friends.  And more, they help contribute to the disturbing (terrrifying) numbers of Trans people living in daily fear of being murdered.  Make no mistake, this is a thread reeking of and based in hatred.

The OP of this thread has once again proved that he is nothing more than a MAGA  mouthpiece with little sense of common decency.  Shameful.  

Updated On: 8/1/24 at 02:19 PM

[Zeppie2022]

Posted: 8/1/24 at 4:59pm

"My further understanding is that Khelif met the criteria set by the current Olympics but did not meet the criteria for a previous tournament. It is way beyond my pay grade to even speculate on which set of criteria is more appropriate."

It is real simple, follow the science. The science tells everyone that a biological male is stronger, faster and simple better athletically than a woman even after transition is complete. It is one thing to lose a track or swimming event, it is another when the event involves a violent sport like boxing. People on this board are a riot. They think this is some MAGA talking point when in truth the whole sports world is up in arms over this event. Many famous athletes are against this and for good reason, think they know better than the Olympic committee.

[Zeppie2022]

Posted: 8/1/24 at 5:19pm

""The OP of this thread has once again proved that he is nothing more than a MAGA mouthpiece with little sense of common decency. Shameful."

Actually, you prove once again you are clueless and have no understanding of the issue. Anybody who has played athletics will tell you there is huge physical difference between men and women. Before spouting off thinking it is some kind of MAGA issue, do some research into the physical advantage of biological men over women even after completing transition. This was an issue long before the 2024 election, ever hear of the name Riley Gaines (swimmer)? She has appeared before US Congress well before this year speaking out about biological men playing in women's sports. She has worried about what could happen to Title IX due to this issue. Ever hear of Martina Navratilova? She has also come out against biological men playing against women. Is Martina a Trump mouthpiece? - lmao. Now, let me explain in simple language so you can understand. Nobody is against trans athletes competing in sports. The issue is fair competition and biological men playing against women is not fair, IMO it is cheating. Trans athletes should compete against other Trans athletes or have an "open" category where everyone can compete. I will end this repeating what I responded to "Kdogg". It is one thing for biological men to compete against women in a swimming or track meet, doing it in a violent sport like boxing could be dangerous.

[kdogg36]

Posted: 8/1/24 at 5:30pm

Zeppie2022 said: "It is one thing to lose a track or swimming event, it is another when the event involves a violent sport like boxing."

As I said, I'd support a set of objective criteria that apply to all women who wish to compete, just not an obviously bigoted and exclusionary "no transpeople" rule. 

Anyhow, are you assuming that Khelif is a transgender person? The reporting I've read is clear as mud, but it seems to me more likely that she's a woman with elevated testosterone levels (for whatever reason), or a phenotypic woman with XY chromosomes. Without even knowing exactly what's going on here, conflating this with the issue of transgender women wishing to compete in sports is definitely an anti-trans rhetorical maneuver.

ETA: There's nothing really "fair" about who gets to compete at a high level in athletic events. Achieving that kind of success of course requires years of hard work, but it also generally requires extraordinary, inborn (and therefore unearned) physical gifts. Similarly, it seems plausible that transwomen might have physical advantages in some cases. Given how disadvantaged they are in almost every other aspect of life, I think we cis people can manage.

Updated On: 8/2/24 at 05:30 PM

[Zeppie2022]

Posted: 8/1/24 at 5:36pm

"Alternate reply: how many transwomen getting murdered is it going to take before people stop spreading right-wing talking points designed to depict transpeople as dangerous aggressors rather than members of a small, vulnerable, widely disfavored minority group?"

Actually "Kdogg", let me tell you about issue the other day. My wife and I return from Amsterdam which had connecting flight in London. When our flight got us home, we went to claim our bags. After all the bags came down, our bags were not one of them. We went over to the baggage counter for help finding our bags. The American Airline person helping us was trans and did a fantastic job. There was issue with the number on our baggage claim tickets not being on the computer. The woman then went and worked with her supervisor and eventually located our bags in London and did lost luggage claim for us and set up delivery. (bags arrived today). My wife asked if they had a "Wow card" program to acknowledge excellent performance.  She was told no but asked for her name so she can write to American Airlines to recognize this employee's efforts. So, try and understand that people like myself and my wife recognize people as individuals not the "group" they get labeled into. Have a nice day.

[Zeppie2022]

Posted: 8/1/24 at 5:40pm

"Anyhow, are you assuming that Khelif is a transgender person?"

People like Pat McAfee from ESPN are saying Khelif is a transgender person. If that is not true than I will have no problem with that being a totally different issue.

[Zeppie2022]

Posted: 8/1/24 at 5:42pm

"ETA: There's nothing really "fair" about who gets to compete at a high level in athletic events. Achieving that kind of success of course requires years of hard work, but it also generally requires extraordinary, inborn (and therefore unearned) physical gifts."

Question for you. Have you ever seen a biological woman compete in men's sports? If so, please name one. Personally, I think that says it all.

Updated On: 8/1/24 at 05:42 PM

[TheatreFan4]

Posted: 8/2/24 at 12:33am

Khelif is a Ciswoman who has a DSD (Difference in Sex Development) condition that resulted in XY chromosomes. She has a vagina, uterus, and breasts. Yes she does have elevated Testosterone compared to other Ciswomen. However, here's the thing. This match lasted under a minute because the woman that Khelif was facing had poor form and got punched in the face because that's the objective. Ciswoman or Transwoman, it's gonna hurt and likely break something. 

Being a professional athlete comes with their own Genetic and Biological advantages. Michael Phelps' lung capacity that is double that a healthy adult that allows him to hold his breath more effectively and allow him to swim better is biological advantage unique to him and many top of the line swimmers. There are runners who build up very little lactic acid in their muscles allowing them to run... simply as long as they want to.

This attempt to paint every single accomplishment a Transwoman has in sports (of which there are just as many losses, go look at their records even after transition. It's not win after win.) As something unfair is simply transmisogyny. Actual Athletes, fight and train and compete. Little bitches cry and make excuses because they're not good enough so they can get a spot on the right wing grift train for a couple years because it's easier than just getting better.

[Lavieboheme3090]

Posted: 8/2/24 at 4:31am

24 hours later and it’s clear the right wing machine against women was in full swing.

It’s not enough to be a “woman” in their eyes you have to be the right kind of “woman”

https://www.wired.com/story/imane-khelif-olympic-boxer-controversy/

https://deadline.com/2024/08/logan-paul-admits-guilty-spreading-misinformation-imane-khelif-algerian-olympic-boxer-1236029684/
 

https://facta.news/eng/2024/08/01/imane-khelif-is-not-a-transgender-athlete/

So yes a woman probably will be killed, but it won’t be in the ring. 

[Zeppie2022]

Posted: 8/2/24 at 9:45am

"Being a professional athlete comes with their own Genetic and Biological advantages. Michael Phelps' lung capacity that is double that a healthy adult that allows him to hold his breath more effectively and allow him to swim better is biological advantage unique to him and many top of the line swimmers. There are runners who build up very little lactic acid in their muscles allowing them to run... simply as long as they want to."

Obviously you don't get the difference. Got a great idea for you, let's have men play women in tennis or in the WNBA. I mean according to you it is just a genetic or biological advantage -lmao.

"This attempt to paint every single accomplishment a Transwoman has in sports (of which there are just as many losses, go look at their records even after transition. It's not win after win.) As something unfair is simply transmisogyny."

Do you ever wonder why when biological men compete against women, they do much better than when they competed against men? Trans break swimming records against women but when competing against men are horrible. Do some research on Riley Gaines testimony before Congress on this issue. I will repeat it again and awaiting an answer. Have you ever heard of a biological women after completing transition compete against men in sports. If so, let me know the person. 

"Little bitches cry and make excuses because they're not good enough so they can get a spot on the right wing grift train for a couple years because it's easier than just getting better"

Nice sexist comment referring to a woman as a bitch. The Italian woman who quit the match will be forgotten in a week, really. 

"Yes she does have elevated Testosterone compared to other Ciswomen. However, here's the thing. This match lasted under a minute because the woman that Khelif was facing had poor form and got punched in the face because that's the objective. Ciswoman or Transwoman, it's gonna hurt and likely break something. "

"Boxers get hurt in the ring from punches. She claimed this was more powerful than anything she ever got hit with in any other fight against women.. You really think this woman trained for years to enter the Olympics would quit that quickly for no good reason. Wonder why? -lol

Updated On: 8/2/24 at 09:45 AM

[Lavieboheme3090]

Posted: 8/2/24 at 9:50am

interesting that with all you're quotes you didn't quote.

"Khelif is a Ciswoman who has a DSD (Difference in Sex Development) condition that resulted in XY chromosomes. She has a vagina, uterus, and breasts."

[Highland Guy]

Posted: 8/2/24 at 11:23am

Thanks to all of you who are rebutting the vile comments of this MAGA  mouthpiece.  He continues to reveal, as perhaps never before, that he is simply a disgusting MAGA-TROLL.  This thread contributes to the abuse of the Trans Community and is beneath BWW standards.   

[kdogg36]

Posted: 8/2/24 at 11:33am

Zeppie2022 said: "Question for you. Have you ever seen a biological woman compete in men's sports? If so, please name one. Personally, I think that says it all."

There have been a few women in male professional sports, but I don't think that's particularly relevant to the discussion. It's pretty clear that we disagree on a couple of things based more on our prior values than any disagreement about the facts. First, I don't agree that any athletic advantage a transwoman might have over ciswomen is particularly unfair, for the reasons I've given on this thread. Second, the only transgender issues we should be spending time discussing are the difficulties many members of the community face daily just to survive; the issue we are (unfortunately) discussing is a waste of time and a absolutely a right-wing ploy.

Updated On: 8/2/24 at 11:33 AM

[TheatreFan4]

Posted: 8/2/24 at 12:04pm

Zeppie2022 said: "Obviously you don't get the difference. Got a great idea for you, let's have men play women in tennis or in the WNBA. I mean according to you it isjust a genetic or biological advantage -lmao.

The split between genders in sports never arose from any actual experience of disparity, just the perceived idea that there is disparity. 

Do you ever wonder why when biological men compete against women, they do much better than when they competed against men? Trans break swimming records against women but when competing against men arehorrible. Do some research on Riley Gaines testimony before Congress on this issue. Iwill repeat it again and awaiting an answer. Have you ever heard of a biological women aftercompleting transition compete against men in sports. If so, let me know the person.
 

Do Transwomen do nothing but break records against ciswomen? Or do some break records, come in 1st, 2nd, 3rd, Last and everywhere in between. But sure... you know what I've seen? That Transman who who they forced to compete against ciswomen and did in fact beat them pretty consistently.


Nice sexist comment referring to a woman as a bitch. The Italian woman who quit the match will be forgotten in a week, really.

"Boxers get hurt in the ring from punches. She claimed this was more powerful than anything she ever got hit with in any other fight against women.. You really think this woman trained for years to enter the Olympics would quit that quickly for no good reason. Wonder why? -lol"

No, I called her a little bitch because she's a little bitch. What I saw was a woman with poor form who got her **** rocked and bailed out in 47 seconds. The craziest thing is in her post fight interview there's barely any bruising (certainly not on her nose and chin where she was hit)... no blood. Like... for the hardest hit she's ever taken her injuries don't really convey that... 

Did you happen to see that video of her falling over her own feet in another tournament? Sounds to me like someone who saw an opportunity to weaponize her whiteness against a woman of color. 

Did you know that there's a convicted rapist competing in Volleyball at the Olympics? Go talk about something that matters. 

[Zeppie2022]

Posted: 8/2/24 at 7:31pm

"Caitlyn Jenner, who won the 1976 men's decathlon as Bruce Jenner, says the ordeal has "hurt" the competition. "This issue has hurt the Olympic Games so much. … Everyone's talking about it," Jenner told Fox News' "The Story" Friday, adding it has taken away from other accomplishments. Jenner said Khelif should not be in a women's category. "I hate to be so downright rough … but we have to have rules and regulations, and it has to come down to DNA," she said, saying those with XY chromosomes should be in a men's competition. "I think the Olympic committee did absolutely the wrong thing by letting [Khelif] compete," Jenner added. "Shame on the IOC for not protecting the integrity of women's sports, and shame on the IOC for not protecting the safety of women's sports."

Think Caitlyn Jenner know better than BWW posters on this board.

[TheatreFan4]

Posted: 8/2/24 at 7:48pm

Zeppie2022 said: ""Caitlyn Jenner, who won the 1976 men's decathlon as Bruce Jenner, says the ordeal has "hurt" the competition. "This issue has hurt the Olympic Games so much. … Everyone's talking about it," Jenner told Fox News' "The Story" Friday, adding it has taken away from other accomplishments. Jenner said Khelif should not be in a women's category. "I hate to be so downright rough … but we have to have rules and regulations, and it has to come down to DNA," she said, saying those with XY chromosomes should be in a men's competition. "I think the Olympic committee did absolutely the wrong thing by letting [Khelif] compete," Jenner added. "Shame on the IOC for not protecting the integrity of women's sports, and shame on the IOC for not protecting the safety of women's sports."

Think Caitlyn Jenner know better than BWW posters on this board."

Caitlyn Jenner participates in women only golf tournaments and killed someone with her car. Maybe go find someone who isn't a horrific piece of **** and isn't a little pick me ladder puller. Caitlyn got her's and will stand along those who would rather see her (and those like her) dead in the street. 

Side bar, there has been exactly zero evidence of this claim of XY Chromosomes outside of a statement from one former head of the IBA, an organization back by Russia and allowed her to compete for years until she beat a Russian Fighter. Then all of a sudden she's being flagged for having XY Chromosomes. She's also already competed in the 2020 Olympics, but yall didn't give a **** because she lost so there wasn't attention on her. 

Again Mr. Independent Thinker you allege to be. You started this thread to attack Transwomen and really any woman whose appearance veers too far outside what you deem acceptable for a woman, but didn't feel it necessary to make a thread about the IOC allowing a convicted child rapist compete and still have had no comment on it after I mentioned. Really shows where your priorities are at.

Updated On: 8/2/24 at 07:48 PM

[Highland Guy]

Posted: 8/2/24 at 8:35pm

KAMALA  #47 !!   SHE  WILL  CONTINUE  WORKING  ON  BEHALF  OF  OUR  RAINBOW  COMMUNITIES  !!

 https://www.hrc.org/resources/fatal-violence-against-the-transgender-and-gender-expansive-community-in-2023

  

 

Updated On: 8/2/24 at 08:35 PM

[Zeppie2022]

Posted: 8/2/24 at 9:30pm

"Again Mr. Independent Thinker you allege to be. You started this thread to attack Transwomen and really any woman whose appearance veers too far outside what you deem acceptable for a woman, but didn't feel it necessary to make a thread about the IOC allowing a convicted child rapist compete and still have had no comment on it after I mentioned. Really shows where your priorities are at."

Wow. I did not attack any Transwoman, they don't make the rules. Please show where I attacked a transwoman.I would think it is obvious to anyone with a brain that the attack I am making is of the governing bodies of sports. Do some research of a thread created many months ago about "Lia Thomas" on this board. It was created by "Sutton Ross" who despises me but acknowledged the evidence I provided at the time about obvious physical advantage of biological men. competing in women's sports. As for making threads, I make what I chose and not going to spend all my time doing it. Probably spent way too much time already replying on this thread.

[Zeppie2022]

Posted: 8/2/24 at 9:35pm

"Second, the only transgender issues we should be spending time discussing are the difficulties many members of the community face daily just to survive; the issue we are (unfortunately) discussing is a waste of time and a absolutely a right-wing ploy."

Meanwhile you seemed to miss the post in this thread where a trans person for American Airlines did a great job helping my wife and I this week that I addressed to you. Funny, how you can overlook it but ready to jump hoops to say I am part of some right wing ploy. Oh well Kdogg, I thought you were better than others who have posted.

[TheatreFan4]

Posted: 8/2/24 at 9:40pm

Zeppie2022 said: ""
Wow. I did not attack any Transwoman, they don't make the rules. Please show where I attacked a transwoman.I would think it is obvious to anyone with a brain that the attack I am making is of the governing bodies of sports. Do some research of a thread created many months ago about "Lia Thomas" on this board. It was created by "Sutton Ross" who despises me but acknowledged the evidence I provided at the time about obvious physical advantage of biological men. competing in women's sports. As for making threads, I make what I chose and not going to spend all my time doing it. Probably spent way too much time already replying on this thread."

Yeah, you're both Transphobic weirdos trying to create false narratives trying to villify a woman competing in her sport that you LITERALLY called a man. Had she lost you never would have heard her name (like you didn't 4 years when she competed), unfortunately she had to go against a wallflower who allegedly had never been hit that hard with no bruising and allegedly a broken nose with no splint on it. Sure let's listen to her... 

This is so ****ing tired. You're an embarrassment of a person who should die alone. 

[Highland Guy]

Posted: 8/2/24 at 9:42pm

Are y'all registered to vote in the next election?  If not, do it NOW.  And remember, the Democratic Party believes that our diversity is our strength.  Support our Rainbow Communities, including our TRANS friends, and vote against MAGA HATE.  

KAMALA  #47

[TheatreFan4]

Posted: 8/2/24 at 9:42pm

Zeppie2022 said: "
Meanwhile you seemed to miss the post in this thread where a trans person for American Airlines did a great job helping my wife and I this week that I addressed to you. Funny, how you can overlook it but ready to jump hoops to say I am part of some right wing ploy. Oh well Kdogg, I thought you were better than others who have posted."

Wow, you let a Trans person work for you without calling them a slur. Just so you know, that Trans person hates you.