#101
Posted: 4/6/06 at 1:49pm
I THINK THIS IS AN INAPPROPRIATE THREAD AND IT SHOULD BE DELETED.
James Barbour Arrested — Page 5
#102
Posted: 4/6/06 at 1:51pm
It's an innapropriate world....get over it.
Or read a Drowsy Chaperone review...you'll feel better.
Or read a Drowsy Chaperone review...you'll feel better.
#103
Posted: 4/6/06 at 1:51pm
Why? We're not discussing rumor and innuendo or some blind item. The man was arrested and charged with statury rape, making this a public news story. Why shouldn't we be allowed to discuss a public story?
"What a story........ everything but the bloodhounds snappin' at her rear end." -- Birdie
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#105
Posted: 4/6/06 at 1:53pm
"But don't paint him out to be some sicko with kiddie porn on his computer........until they find the kiddie porn "
I don't think anyone was painting ANY picture of Mr. Barbour. I think people are discussing the article and its implications. Has anyone called him sick or anything like that? No.. I believe people are responding to what I personally find quite disturbing dialogue from the people posting here and their attitudes about sex, the law and ethics in general.
I don't think anyone was painting ANY picture of Mr. Barbour. I think people are discussing the article and its implications. Has anyone called him sick or anything like that? No.. I believe people are responding to what I personally find quite disturbing dialogue from the people posting here and their attitudes about sex, the law and ethics in general.
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men" - Willy Wonka
#106
Posted: 4/6/06 at 1:57pm
The whole tone of this thread is very disturbing to me. It's not at all funny if a 15-year-old girl was, indeed, raped. And this would be rape, folks, even if she "consented." It's the responsibility of the adult to abide by the law. Period. The law is established precisely to protect impressionable, vulnerable young people who may think they know what they want but who ultimately can get themselves in way over their heads. Why did the girl wait so long to report this? There can be many reasons - fear, shame, denial, guilt, depression, repression, a warped sense of loyalty to her once idol, etc. etc. Many of you are putting the two people involved on a level playing field. They are not. One is a 35-year-old celebrity with power, experience and influence, the other a fawning 15-year-old with stars in her eyes. I don't care how "experienced" and "mature" you think this girl may have been at the time. Many, many girls (and boys) who get themselves into situations like this with adults they admire are desperately seeking approval, love, a sense of self worth, and affection. Maybe at this point in her life she has gained a measure of self-confidence and is now ready to deal with the reality of her experience.
Of course, this is all conjecture, but it is far more plausible from a psychological standpoint than the ridiculous notion that at 15 she was in control of the situation and deserves what she got. Please, please, don't turn the victim into the perpetrator and the perpetrator into the victim. And you wonder why rape victims hesitate to go public?
lc
Of course, this is all conjecture, but it is far more plausible from a psychological standpoint than the ridiculous notion that at 15 she was in control of the situation and deserves what she got. Please, please, don't turn the victim into the perpetrator and the perpetrator into the victim. And you wonder why rape victims hesitate to go public?
lc
#107
Posted: 4/6/06 at 1:58pm
Craig...I agree.
I also think that those of you who have presented the true facts and your fantastic insights on the laws and the legal findings of the case...Great! and thank you.
I'm just trying to present my opinion and the people who are generalizing him in a group with child abuse psychotics...I do think its a bit disturbing myself. I also can't help but play a bit of devils advocate because there's part of me, that thinks it's all a bit upside down.
and I know some find my humour offensive but I won't apologize...I think it's amusing to a point.
I also think that those of you who have presented the true facts and your fantastic insights on the laws and the legal findings of the case...Great! and thank you.
I'm just trying to present my opinion and the people who are generalizing him in a group with child abuse psychotics...I do think its a bit disturbing myself. I also can't help but play a bit of devils advocate because there's part of me, that thinks it's all a bit upside down.
and I know some find my humour offensive but I won't apologize...I think it's amusing to a point.
#108
Posted: 4/6/06 at 2:00pm
I want to take just a second to agree with Craig. There are some really disturbing comments being written about this situation. The fact remains that if this story is proven to be true...Mr. Barbour is guilty, case closed.
Jack: For your information, most people who meet me do not know that I am gay.
Will: Jack, blind and deaf people know you're gay. Dead people know you're gay.
Jack: Grace, when you first met me, did you know I was gay?
Grace: My dog knew.
#109
Posted: 4/6/06 at 2:00pm
I just don't find her to be a victim in the traditional sense of the word. I'm SORRY! I've been there. Everyone's different but I've been there. And it was "rape" in a certain legal sense but lets not turn this into a lifetime movie
#110
Posted: 4/6/06 at 2:02pm
"Many, many girls (and boys) who get themselves into situations like this with adults they admire are desperately seeking approval, love, a sense of self worth, and affection. Maybe at this point in her life she has gained a measure of self-confidence and is now ready to deal with the reality of her experience. "
NOPE!
Sorry....they just want to go home and say , "Guess who I was making out with this weekend"....it's not always so deep as people wan to make it. And I'm sorry....if it was so wrong and dirty she should have dealt with it when it happened or just not done it.
NOPE!
Sorry....they just want to go home and say , "Guess who I was making out with this weekend"....it's not always so deep as people wan to make it. And I'm sorry....if it was so wrong and dirty she should have dealt with it when it happened or just not done it.
#111
Posted: 4/6/06 at 2:04pm
'And it was "rape" in a certain legal sense'
In every legal sense. This isn't a technicality. It's an older person using their 'celebrity' and sway over a young girl to put that girl in a situation she should not be in...NO MATTER HOW MUCH SHE MAY WANT IT.
The responsibility lies with him.
And, if indeed this turns out to be true, he should certainly go to jail for however long the court deems it necessary.
In every legal sense. This isn't a technicality. It's an older person using their 'celebrity' and sway over a young girl to put that girl in a situation she should not be in...NO MATTER HOW MUCH SHE MAY WANT IT.
The responsibility lies with him.
And, if indeed this turns out to be true, he should certainly go to jail for however long the court deems it necessary.
"I'm so looking forward to a time when all the Reagan Democrats are dead."
#112
Posted: 4/6/06 at 2:05pm
bb03,
Maybe for you, that's what it was. The many kids I used to work with as a counselor would disagree with you.
lc
Maybe for you, that's what it was. The many kids I used to work with as a counselor would disagree with you.
lc
Updated On: 4/6/06 at 02:05 PM
#114
Posted: 4/6/06 at 2:11pm
Regardless of how mature she was for her age or if she tried to "seduce" him -- he still should not have allowed anything to happen because he is the one who ultimately would get arrested.
Brodybaby03, I understand where you are coming from because as a former high school teacher I dealt with "sex-crazed" teens all the time. I started teaching right out of college so I was only a few years older than the seniors at the school. Being a young male teacher who was popular with the students, I could have easily had relationships with many of my female pupils. However, I knew that regardless of how "mature" they seemed or how much they "wanted it" -- I was the adult and had to do what was right. The fact is that the students were underage and I wasn't.
I had one student in particular who tried on several occassions to have a personal relationship with me. She made it no secret to her fellow classmates that she had a "crush" on the new drama teacher, and she thought he was "hot". It made me very uncomfortable as a teacher and I went to the administration about it. It is a very scary situation to be in because all she would have had to do is invent a scenario and then it would just be my word against hers. Luckily, she finally got over her crush and nothing else happened. However, all it would have taken is for me to be weak and give in and my entire career and life would have be ruined. If this is the situation James Barbour was in, he should have made the right choice, but allegedly he didn't. It is not just stars who have to deal with the situation, even a poor first year teacher can be a target. It can be tough to say no, but you have to make the decision if having a fling with an underage person is more important than your life or your career. I think the answer is no!
Brodybaby03, I understand where you are coming from because as a former high school teacher I dealt with "sex-crazed" teens all the time. I started teaching right out of college so I was only a few years older than the seniors at the school. Being a young male teacher who was popular with the students, I could have easily had relationships with many of my female pupils. However, I knew that regardless of how "mature" they seemed or how much they "wanted it" -- I was the adult and had to do what was right. The fact is that the students were underage and I wasn't.
I had one student in particular who tried on several occassions to have a personal relationship with me. She made it no secret to her fellow classmates that she had a "crush" on the new drama teacher, and she thought he was "hot". It made me very uncomfortable as a teacher and I went to the administration about it. It is a very scary situation to be in because all she would have had to do is invent a scenario and then it would just be my word against hers. Luckily, she finally got over her crush and nothing else happened. However, all it would have taken is for me to be weak and give in and my entire career and life would have be ruined. If this is the situation James Barbour was in, he should have made the right choice, but allegedly he didn't. It is not just stars who have to deal with the situation, even a poor first year teacher can be a target. It can be tough to say no, but you have to make the decision if having a fling with an underage person is more important than your life or your career. I think the answer is no!
"You pile up enough tomorrows, and you'll find you are left with nothing but a lot of empty yesterdays. I don't know about you, but I'd like to make today worth remembering." --Harold Hill from The Music Man
Updated On: 4/6/06 at 02:11 PM
#115
Posted: 4/6/06 at 2:13pm
It's brodybaby.
Wanna get a drink?
Im kidding
Wanna get a drink?
Im kidding
#116
Posted: 4/6/06 at 2:13pm
"Guess who I was making out with this weekend"
One would imagine that you actually know what sodomy is, right? If not...there are plenty of people here who can explain it.
Just because you were not f*cked up by a situation you were found in doesn't give you the right to dictate how this young woman can or should feel.
One would imagine that you actually know what sodomy is, right? If not...there are plenty of people here who can explain it.
Just because you were not f*cked up by a situation you were found in doesn't give you the right to dictate how this young woman can or should feel.
"I'm so looking forward to a time when all the Reagan Democrats are dead."
#117
Posted: 4/6/06 at 2:20pm
Frankly, I'm surprised no one has really conjectured that, while it's possible Barbour did commit statutory rape here, it's ALSO possible that what we are witnessing is a case of Broadway fandom run wild.
Scene: 15 year old fangirl meets James Barbour, develops huge crush.
Girl goes to see Jane Eyre on Broadway, meets Barbour.
Over the course of 4 years, fangirl continues to make attempts to get Barbour's attention sexually. Fails. Trumps up statutory charges to get back at him.
Everyone's jumping on the destroy James Barbour bandwagon here way too quickly. I've worked with him. Didn't see ANYTHING that would suggest he's up to this sort of thing and, frankly, if it happened once, it's probably happened more than once.
Scene: 15 year old fangirl meets James Barbour, develops huge crush.
Girl goes to see Jane Eyre on Broadway, meets Barbour.
Over the course of 4 years, fangirl continues to make attempts to get Barbour's attention sexually. Fails. Trumps up statutory charges to get back at him.
Everyone's jumping on the destroy James Barbour bandwagon here way too quickly. I've worked with him. Didn't see ANYTHING that would suggest he's up to this sort of thing and, frankly, if it happened once, it's probably happened more than once.
#118
Posted: 4/6/06 at 2:20pm
How does New York define sodomy? I know some states, i.e. Texas, would even include oral sex in that definition.
#119
Posted: 4/6/06 at 2:32pm
singer,
Oh...ABSOLUTELY possible. Right now, I don't have a problem with Barbour because he is, indeed, innocent until proven guilty. I'm just STUNNED by the response to the idea that there is something wrong with a 35 year old having sex with a 15 year old.
Oh...ABSOLUTELY possible. Right now, I don't have a problem with Barbour because he is, indeed, innocent until proven guilty. I'm just STUNNED by the response to the idea that there is something wrong with a 35 year old having sex with a 15 year old.
"I'm so looking forward to a time when all the Reagan Democrats are dead."
#120
Posted: 4/6/06 at 2:35pm
Untl proven, I have two words for this . . . Charlie Chaplin.
"Love Life. Live." Michael Bennett
#121
Posted: 4/6/06 at 2:42pm
This is the problem: the age of consent is 16 in roughly half of the US. In roughly half of the world, the age of consent for women is between 14 and 17.
This is one of those cases that our society hasn't put a definite stamp on.
If he did this (which I seriously doubt), I would say it was most definitely wrong (because he was in a leadership role), but I'm not sure it's worth lumping him in with child molesters, and giving him any kind of serious jail time.
This is one of those cases that our society hasn't put a definite stamp on.
If he did this (which I seriously doubt), I would say it was most definitely wrong (because he was in a leadership role), but I'm not sure it's worth lumping him in with child molesters, and giving him any kind of serious jail time.
"Fundamentalism means never having to say 'I'm wrong.'"
-- unknown
#122
Posted: 4/6/06 at 2:58pm
THANK YOU!
Robbiej...I didn't insult you, I'm not dumb, I know what Sodomy is thank you.
I was giving a "for instance" in the for instance that it is a situation where Fandom has run wild.
Please don't insult me as I , just as everyone else am welcome to post my feelings, ideas, and opinions etc. I am certainly not telling anyone how to feel. Don't put words in my mouth.
Robbiej...I didn't insult you, I'm not dumb, I know what Sodomy is thank you.
I was giving a "for instance" in the for instance that it is a situation where Fandom has run wild.
Please don't insult me as I , just as everyone else am welcome to post my feelings, ideas, and opinions etc. I am certainly not telling anyone how to feel. Don't put words in my mouth.
#123
Posted: 4/6/06 at 3:00pm
lovesclassics - Thanks for capturing exactly what I was thinking.
"When you're a Jet, / You're a Jet all the way, / From your first pirouette / To your last grand jete." --Brian Kaman
#124
Posted: 4/6/06 at 3:07pm
"'Many, many girls (and boys) who get themselves into situations like this with adults they admire are desperately seeking approval, love, a sense of self worth, and affection. Maybe at this point in her life she has gained a measure of self-confidence and is now ready to deal with the reality of her experience.'
NOPE!
Sorry....they just want to go home and say , "Guess who I was making out with this weekend"....it's not always so deep as people wan to make it. And I'm sorry....if it was so wrong and dirty she should have dealt with it when it happened or just not done it. "
That is your exact post from above. You completely discount anyone who may have had a similar experience as you, but a far different reaction. I didn't need to put words in your mouth...you did it for me.
I don't think your dumb. I was just gobsmacked that you would use "making out" when the charge is sodomy. Again, I have no idea if this is true. As far as I'm concerned, Barbour is only guilty of having bad taste in religions. I'm just shocked at some of the reactions to the very concept of statutory rape.
NOPE!
Sorry....they just want to go home and say , "Guess who I was making out with this weekend"....it's not always so deep as people wan to make it. And I'm sorry....if it was so wrong and dirty she should have dealt with it when it happened or just not done it. "
That is your exact post from above. You completely discount anyone who may have had a similar experience as you, but a far different reaction. I didn't need to put words in your mouth...you did it for me.
I don't think your dumb. I was just gobsmacked that you would use "making out" when the charge is sodomy. Again, I have no idea if this is true. As far as I'm concerned, Barbour is only guilty of having bad taste in religions. I'm just shocked at some of the reactions to the very concept of statutory rape.
"I'm so looking forward to a time when all the Reagan Democrats are dead."
Updated On: 4/6/06 at 03:07 PM
#125
Posted: 4/6/06 at 3:13pm
To Finding Namo:
"It doesn't make it magically legal if she did sleep with everybody in town since she was 12 years old. See how that works?"
I don't recall saying a bad character made the "crime" magically legal. It was clear I was saying that character of the accuser is a factor.
Don't jump to conclusions, as she could have also told him she was legal age.
"It doesn't make it magically legal if she did sleep with everybody in town since she was 12 years old. See how that works?"
I don't recall saying a bad character made the "crime" magically legal. It was clear I was saying that character of the accuser is a factor.
Don't jump to conclusions, as she could have also told him she was legal age.
