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#26

Kate Middleton's Hospital Nurse Found Dead

Not unrelated, at all -- but I still don't think it is blameworthy. No more than when a student failing a test 'as the final straw' might blame the teacher giving the test.

I'm not saying what they did was entertaining or justified or worthwhile -- but can't we put JUST as much blame on the media for making such a big deal over the happenstance? I daresay, the media's over playing of the situation has made a much bigger deal of the act then the actual phone call. And then lets also blame all the idiots that gave her a hard time over it (as Songanddanceman has mentioned).

This whole thing should have been over two minutes after it happened.
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#27

Kate Middleton's Hospital Nurse Found Dead

I see your point, dramamama, but those are very different examples (to my mind, anyway), assuming the failing grade was an honest one and not given just to be cruel.

#28

Kate Middleton's Hospital Nurse Found Dead

I don't agree with Dramamamma. I think this was a very newsworthy event. Just like the one with the woman being bullied on the bus.Maybe, just MAYBE, a future prankster will remember what can and does happen with pranks and bullying and stop doing it.
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#29

Kate Middleton's Hospital Nurse Found Dead

Reg, I was just about to post about a similar feeling I had about the Tyler Clementi case.

Sueleen, in fact, I take absolutely no delight in shows like that. I am not, and have never been, a fan of 'gotcha' pranks. There is a difference between good intentions (the surprise birthday party you note) and an attempt to get the best of someone or embarrass someone with a prank.

I just think that we are a society of people who are entitled, and remove ourselves from the responsibility of our actions. If an action has a consequence, you must bear responsibility, either directly or indirectly.

I will not blame the 'victim' in this case by pinning the idea that she must have had "other issues to have led her to take this step" on her, and letting the people responsible for the turn of events, which ended in this tragedy, off the hook.






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Updated On: 12/7/12 at 03:14 PM

#30

Kate Middleton's Hospital Nurse Found Dead

Add me to those who are not fans of pranks. I know that I would not appreciate one done on me. not. at. all.
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#31

Kate Middleton's Hospital Nurse Found Dead

I have to admit I did laugh at the pranks I saw on that Betty White show Off Their Rockers, since the pranksters were old people and the pranks were done in person and mostly debunked stereotypes about old people.
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#32

Kate Middleton's Hospital Nurse Found Dead

Not a fan of pranks or pranksters or prankster shows or their "lighthearted" intentions.
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#33

Kate Middleton's Hospital Nurse Found Dead

I am not normally a fan of pranks either, but there is a big difference between Wanda Sykes calling a car detailing service and spending 10 minutes complaining about the giant steaming pile of crap someone left in the back seat (the only Crank Yankers I have heard) and two DJs calling a hospital, impersonating someone and trying to get information. Everyone knows receiving that information would be unethical. The attempt to do so is every bit as unethical.
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#34

Kate Middleton's Hospital Nurse Found Dead

Perfectly stated. I agree.
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#35

Kate Middleton's Hospital Nurse Found Dead

I hate pranks. I hate prank shows even more.

I DO think the coverage of the nurse's suicide IS news -- I was referring to the over-coverage of the prank call, that's what should have been a non-event.

I wasn't blaming the suicide victim -- I just refuse to put all the blame on the stupid, unfunny DJs.
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#36

Kate Middleton's Hospital Nurse Found Dead

I only heard about this today and I haven't been able piece together all of the information.

Is this the gist of what happened?

Two Aussie DJs called the hospital, pretended to be the Queen, asked to talk to the Duchess, got through, received information, and then the receptionist killed herself?

I must be missing something. Why would the Queen personally call the front desk? You'd think the Royal Suite would have a Batphone or something that goes straight to the Royal Hospital Suite and not go through the main switchboard. (Is that too old fashioned to say?)

Is that correct?
#37

Kate Middleton's Hospital Nurse Found Dead

The call came through at about 5am UK time so there was no receptionist on duty. Instead, the phone was answered by a nurse who put the hoaxers through to another nurse specifically dealing with the Duchess of Cambridge. It was the former nurse who killed herself.

The nurse who answered the 'phone probably learnt English as a second language and so would have found it more difficult to pick up the nuances that would have revealed the hoaxer's accent as fake.


Updated On: 12/7/12 at 04:19 PM

#38

Kate Middleton's Hospital Nurse Found Dead

There are so many things I could say or argue in relation to this but I think I want to just acknowledge this one thing at this time. Different hospitals have different policies about how information can be released to whom and how. I’ve worked in a facility where upon admission the patient/and or their family fills out a form with where they list names of who we can give information to. Someone calls and wants to know how Joe Shmo is doing, we would ask who we were speaking to, check the list, and as long as the person was on the list they would get an update. Several facilities do it this way. If the hospital where Princess Catherine was hospitalized did it this way, the nurse did nothing wrong (assuming the Queen were on that list).

The place I work now is frequented by celebrities and powerful people. On admission, patients and or they’re family establish a password. When someone calls for information, we ask them for the password. Some big name people will specify that no one receive information over the phone, and they have their family, personal assistant, and/or publicist release information as the patient and their representatives see fit.

I’d like to also point out if I may, that the nurse did not reveal and significant details about her condition, only that she was resting comfortably. She didn’t give detailed medical information.
#39

Kate Middleton's Hospital Nurse Found Dead

Thanks for the info never, but I think the issue we're discussing is more about pranking than hospital policy.
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#40

Kate Middleton's Hospital Nurse Found Dead

Interesting update: On the news this AM, the DJs MAY have broken Australian law by recording a phone conversation without . (Isn't that illegal here, too?) The station (the manager I think?) claims they did not break any laws.

Also commented: both DJs are devastated and in counseling. While much of England (like here) holds them directly responsible, those IN Australia do not.
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#41

Kate Middleton's Hospital Nurse Found Dead

Trust me, in Australia these two DJ's are being blamed for the death of the nurse.
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#42

Kate Middleton's Hospital Nurse Found Dead

I'm just going off what my news said this morning -- they even interviewed a couple -- they made it sound as if their attitude was the norm.

Thanks for the clarification.
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#43

Kate Middleton's Hospital Nurse Found Dead

what isn't being discussed at all is the absurd fetishization of the "royal" family by the general populace, which is particularly shameful of any US citizen. the whole american revolution was fought and its documents written in repudiation of the idea that one person is born "better" than someone else. we are so lucky to live in a time when we KNOW that's true. for thousands of years, you defied the divine right of kings at your own peril. there is no reason to be more interested in kate middleton's baby than anyone else's. it's worse than the interest people show in other celebrities--at least with actors, their work might please you. the "royals" haven't accomplished anything of note other than being born into that situation. if this grotesque fetish didn't exist, this prank call would never have been made.
#44

Kate Middleton's Hospital Nurse Found Dead

Pranks are made by jerks, for jerks.

There's nothing funny about them. And those who are amused by them only help perpetuate the problem.

They can also have unforseen consequences -- tragic ones --as we have seen here.

As a society, we need to stop applauding the shock jocks, the clowns, the jackasses. And maybe if such behavior were met with anger instead of applause, it wouldn't take place.

#45

Kate Middleton's Hospital Nurse Found Dead

"the whole american revolution was fought and its documents written in repudiation of the idea that one person is born "better" than someone else."

Pretty much it was about a tax on tea.

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#46

Kate Middleton's Hospital Nurse Found Dead

And guns, as Sarah Palin reminded us. Those dern British wanted to take our guns away.

Pranks are like bullying: both done with the full knowledge that the "victim" will suffer in some way that the bully/prankster deems "No big deal."

Both acts--pranking and bullying--are done under an assumption of impunity ("Even if if get caught, nothing will happen to us.")

The two DJs, like Dharun Ravi, may be innocent of any criminal wrongdoing, but two lives are lost because of their indifference to common human decency.

I think feeling guilty and SH*Tty for the rest of their lives seems an entirely appropriate punishment.


Updated On: 12/11/12 at 12:30 AM

#47

Kate Middleton's Hospital Nurse Found Dead

Honestly, I feel for the DJs at this point. They obviously had no idea it would go this far. That it had such chaotic potential probably never crossed their minds. That doesn't excuse it, but I place the blame on the prank/shock/gross trend that's been playing out for years. Everyone has to go bigger or lower than the last guy. Of course it's going to do damage.

PalJoey, what have I missed? Who is the second life lost?
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#48

Kate Middleton's Hospital Nurse Found Dead

Two lives? Please 'splain.
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#49

Kate Middleton's Hospital Nurse Found Dead

Lumping all pranks into one general category and denouncing them wholesale is kind of ridiculous. There are obviously many kinds of pranks.

Shows like Candid Camera are pretty amusing and harmless. Movies like Borat and Bruno which exploit negative stereotypes are obnoxious.
Then there are the pranks like that one where they gave away Kanye tickets but the woman had to tell her husband that their son wasn't really his (and he subsequently ended up admitting in anger that he was having an affair) are completely unfunny and dangerous.

Having said that, I'm with dramamama on this one. I don't think it was particularly funny, but to place the blame for the tragic suicide on the DJs seems unwarranted.
And saying that not does not mean anyone is "blaming the victim".

The tendency to reduce everything to absolutes seems rather narrow sighted. There are a lot of variables, most of which we'll never know. But saying that a prank phone call of this nature drove someone to suicide just doesn't make sense.
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#50

Kate Middleton's Hospital Nurse Found Dead

"But saying that a prank phone call of this nature drove someone to suicide just doesn't make sense."

It precipitated a suicide.

And as several people have explained here already, what might seem "harmless" to the perpetrator or the spectator may not be taken as such by the victim of the prank.

At the very least, "harmless" pranks are childish in the extreme.

It's time for our society to grow up.

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