Man kills himself at Notre Dame Cathedral
Man kills himself at Notre Dame Cathedral
Tom1071
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/1/04
#1Man kills himself at Notre Dame Cathedral
Posted: 5/21/13 at 3:10pm
He placed a letter on the alter then shot himself. In his letter he lashed out against same-sex marriage and a future Islamist takeover of France.
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Roscoe
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/15/03
#2Man kills himself at Notre Dame Cathedral
Posted: 5/21/13 at 3:14pmThe guy was a right-wing extremist wackjob, and frankly, I can only hope that other right-wing extremist wackjobs follow his example.
#2Man kills himself at Notre Dame Cathedral
Posted: 5/21/13 at 3:19pmCommitting the act of suicide in a Catholic church promoting a message of bigotry sure makes an interesting statement, doesn't it?
Roscoe
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/15/03
#3Man kills himself at Notre Dame Cathedral
Posted: 5/21/13 at 3:28pm
Yeah, he's ensuring that he'll burn in hell forever right next to the people whose marriages his suicide was supposed to be a religious and moral protest against.
Takes "cutting off one's nose to spite one's face" to bold new levels of eternity, doesn't it.
#4Man kills himself at Notre Dame Cathedral
Posted: 5/21/13 at 3:31pmLet it never be said that I sympathize with bigotry, but suicide is a tragedy no matter the person.
Roscoe
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/15/03
#5Man kills himself at Notre Dame Cathedral
Posted: 5/21/13 at 3:33pm
Each man's death diminishes me,
For I am involved in mankind.
Therefore, send not to know
For whom the bell tolls,
It tolls for thee.
John Donne has a point, of course, but I'm thinking that some deaths are significantly less diminishing than others.
Phyllis Rogers Stone
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/16/07
#6Man kills himself at Notre Dame Cathedral
Posted: 5/21/13 at 3:41pmAt least he no longer has to live in a world with gay marriage.
#7Man kills himself at Notre Dame Cathedral
Posted: 5/21/13 at 3:46pm
Let it never be said that I sympathize with bigotry, but suicide is a tragedy no matter the person.
Personally, I never considered Hitler's fate a "tragedy". As for this man, I don't know him, so I cannot speak of his fate either way. Either he was mentally ill and could have been cured, which could be a tragedy. Or he was mentally (or physically) ill and this was his only relief. Or he was extremely dangerous and could have harmed many others rather than himself.
Yeah, he's ensuring that he'll burn in hell forever right next to the people whose marriages his suicide was supposed to be a religious and moral protest against.
And the Muslims! Homos and Muslims are his new neighbors. For ETERNITY.
#8Man kills himself at Notre Dame Cathedral
Posted: 5/21/13 at 3:54pm
How Poetic!
Maybe he was gay, and he felt he was going to hell anyway so he decided to at least go as a Martyr.
Roscoe
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/15/03
#9Man kills himself at Notre Dame Cathedral
Posted: 5/21/13 at 4:00pm
#10Man kills himself at Notre Dame Cathedral
Posted: 5/21/13 at 4:06pm
From what I've read of his obituary and blog entries, he felt situated between a rock and hard place. On one hand, he found the rising Islam in France repugnant but encouraged by the prospect of those Franco-Muslims repealing the same-sax marriage law within 15 years. On the other, he couldn't deal with all the other attendant repeals of fundamental human rights that would likely ensue in his construction of Islamo-France.
I'm hardly an apologist. But, I find it sad that a 78-yr old would feel that life had left him no other option than to take his own life to rise awareness of what he believed to be his nation's plight. As our legislators in this country grapple with immigration reform, I at times wonder what impact an influx of Sharia law adherents would have on our national psyche.
Nevertheless, I ain't trying to go out like that ya'll. We can all agree to disagree and call it a day.
Roscoe
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/15/03
#11Man kills himself at Notre Dame Cathedral
Posted: 5/21/13 at 4:15pm
If sharia law was really on the rise in France, gay marriage wouldn't be legal there, would it. And we already know what the fear of sharia law is doing to this country -- creating the conservative wackjob Tea Party loons who I can only hope start killing themselves in churches forthwith.
Better they kill themselves than kill others. Too harsh? Too bad.
#12Man kills himself at Notre Dame Cathedral
Posted: 5/21/13 at 4:21pm
Better they kill themselves than kill others. Too harsh? Too bad.
Preach it Roscoe.
#13Man kills himself at Notre Dame Cathedral
Posted: 5/21/13 at 4:25pm
"If sharia law was really on the rise in France, gay marriage wouldn't be legal there, would it."
@roscoe
I was careful to lay it out as his construction, not mine. It seems that he saw suicide as the lesser of three evils which include marriage-equality and a theocratic France ruled by Sharia adherents in 15 yrs or so. According to his thinking, an Islamic-led repeal of marriage equality would be a short-term gain but permanent installation of Sharia law unbearable. Forgive me for pointing out the obvious; he was a bigot on two counts.
Roscoe
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/15/03
#14Man kills himself at Notre Dame Cathedral
Posted: 5/21/13 at 4:33pmYeah, fair enough. Still not feeling any sympathy for the wackjob. The best that can be said about him is that he only killed himself.
#15Man kills himself at Notre Dame Cathedral
Posted: 5/21/13 at 4:56pmI'm not feeling any sympathy either. It's that I'm old now and am tired of fighting this battle and that one over ideology. As long as no one (including a gov't) attempts to use physical force against me or coerce me into doing something against my will, the s.o.b. can believe whatever. And as corny as it sounds, I can guarantee you that the universe has spawned a few thousand nutjobs since Dominique Venner decided to off himself. Good riddance to bad trash and please keep his disciples the f*ck away from me.
#16Man kills himself at Notre Dame Cathedral
Posted: 5/21/13 at 5:14pmTo paraphrase Macbeth, "He should have died thereafter."
#17Man kills himself at Notre Dame Cathedral
Posted: 5/21/13 at 6:29pm
Great, now you cursed this thread!! 
#18Man kills himself at Notre Dame Cathedral
Posted: 5/21/13 at 6:44pm
A Catholic committing suicide?
Might as well have gotten gay married, since he's suffering the exact same fate in the eyes of his own church.
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#19Man kills himself at Notre Dame Cathedral
Posted: 5/21/13 at 6:47pm
At 78 years old, how many years did he have left?
You're right, though. Suicide is a sin, and to do it in (arguably) the most famous cathedral outside the Vatican, is a weird statement.
Irony at its finest.
Most martyrs are killed by others, not themselves.
#20Man kills himself at Notre Dame Cathedral
Posted: 5/21/13 at 7:06pmDon't worry all that jazz. I went out the back door, spun three time spit and knocked to gain admittance, the thread is safe.
#22Man kills himself at Notre Dame Cathedral
Posted: 5/21/13 at 7:55pmDrama Queen
BWFan101
Understudy Joined: 9/15/12
#23Man kills himself at Notre Dame Cathedral
Posted: 5/21/13 at 7:58pmI feel bad for all the tourists in Notre Dame. Seeing a guy blow is brains out across the alter has to put a damper on your vacation!
#24Man kills himself at Notre Dame Cathedral
Posted: 5/21/13 at 8:37pm
^ That was very Hannibal.
Anyway, who said Suicide is a sin. Jesus?
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