McCain and Ellen talk gay marriage....Ellen wins — Page 2

Oh, and don't forget cursing your parents. If you ever did that, hope you enjoy that choo-choo straight into a lake of fire with the rest of us, Goth!

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Not to mention that taken literally (and we know how those Fundamentalists love to get literal when addressing homosexuals), there is no mention of the word "marriage" nor "wedding" nor "sanctioned" in either of those particular passages. It only says that a man should leave his parents and God will skin-graft him to a woman. And it certainly does not mention that gay marriage would make a mockery of God.

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LuPwnd. It is a Broadway board after all.

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In the world's religions, there is no precedent for gay marraige: Jewish, Christian, Islam, Hindu, Buddhism

Tell that to the pastors and ministers who have officiated gay weddings. Their response will probably only elaborate on mine: SO WHAT? Religion, like society, evolves and changes. Otherwise, there would only be one existing religion and Christianity would certinaly not be it. Even laws in the Bible are overturned from the old testament to the new.

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Please feel free to point to any religion that endorses gay marriage.

Mine.

If God wanted gay marriage, it would be in the Bible and wouldn't be a problem.

Once again, you make the assumption that your beliefs and interpretations are the only valid ones.

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Research by the Yale historian John Boswell in the book, Same-Sex Unions in Premodern Europe, explores the historical context of homosexual marriages. His studies revealed that homosexual marriage rites have been legally sanctioned and religiously upheld for over 3,000 years in ancient African, Asian, Egyptian, Greek, Mesopotamian, Native American and Roman cultures. The social acceptance of same-gender relationships did not gain widespread condemnation until the 13th century, when religious orders stepped in and declared them immoral (Dorrell & Legal Marriage Court Cases, 1994,1996).

Paul Halsall, also a historian, supports the findings of Boswell and unearthed other cultures’ acceptance of male-male or female-female relationships. In his essay, Lesbian and Gay Marriage through History and Culture, he documents the recognition of same-gender couples in many cultures. He specifically lists, “Ancient Greece, Egypt, Crete, Sparta, Thebes, Ancient Rome, China, Japan, Malay, Bali, Australia, India, Native Americas (Chukchi, Koriaks, Kamchadale), New Mexico tribes, Peru, Brazil, Medieval Eastern Orthodoxy and Catholicism” (Halsall, 1996). While certainly the couplings and the recognitions were not everyday common occurrences, they were recorded as happening.

McCain's appearance on her show -- to suck up votes from the coveted Ellen fan base -- reveals once again the way Republicans will exploit those they legislate against as 2nd class citizens.

He needs her venue. He needs her popularity. And in return, she must deal with his "respectfully disagreeing" with the very core of her being. How about saying, "you're a wonderful American citizen and human being clearly of my equal or I wouldn't be sitting here." But no. He doesn't have to.

Instead, he gets to appear as a jokey "fun" kinda old dude, who can yak it up with a hip lesbo while still holding his sanctimonious higher ground.

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I've said it before and I'll say it again - instead of fighting to legalize gay marriage, we should be fighting to have civil marriage eradicated. Society has outlived its usefulness. If people still want men in funny hats and dresses to tell that they are married, or even if they want to have a drag queen marry them before god, so be it. It should have nothing to do with civil society.

How does one make a mockery of something that doesn't exist?

BRITNEY DOES TOO EXIST! LEAVE HER ALONE!!!

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David and Jonathan. Funny how the gay names never change.

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Phyllis and Borstal, two points.

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The bible doesn't mention cell phones either- are they a sin?