Mike Seaver Will Save Your Soul

[Kringas]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 11:54am

Did anyone catch this "debate" about the existence of god on Nightline the other night? I'd seen clips of Cameron's The Way of the Master before, although I found the title misleading. I was expecting a hot daddy and slave action and I got Mike Seaver getting all self-righteous and making trannies upset.

This Slate article hits most of the main points, including Cameron's cohorts ridiculous claim that Cameron is jeopardizing his "Hollywood career" with his proselytizing.




Kirk Cameron Proves That God Exists

[JohnBoy2]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 11:56am

Are we not allowed to make trannies upset? Just checking on the rules.

[Kringas]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 11:57am

Is that a goal of yours? You're a real class act, JohnBoy2.

Updated On: 5/11/07 at 11:57 AM

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 12:08pm

First off, TIGER BEAT has a website?

It still exists? Are there archives? Davy Jones vs. Barry Williams articles, etc.?

[JohnBoy2]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 12:09pm

Isn't it obvious?

[Kringas]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 12:13pm

Yes, Namo. Apparently it has joined forces with Bop!

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 12:15pm

I went to the site. It's very pink and glittery and made my teeth ache. However, it did not disappoint, since the only "celeb" on the front page was Sanjaya!

[DBillyP]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 12:15pm

Since when is Kirk Cameron a "prominent voice" in the field of religion?!?

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 12:23pm

Well, he was Bibleman for a while. A born-again superhero. And I have stumbled on his Christomercial series with that guru of his. If I were an impressionable young person it would make me crap my pants. Their basic premise is that a sin is a sin is a sin to God. Being rude to the bus driver, being Hitler, it's all the same to God. Makes Him (and their God IS a Him) furious.

One night, I stumbled onto the first two Left Behind movies on cable. I was riveted and forgot I could have just taped them and gone to bed and I stayed up too late. Kirkie was in those too.

So, that's his "prominence," I guess.

Updated On: 5/11/07 at 12:23 PM

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 12:27pm

Whoops! My mistake. Bibleman is TV's Willie Ames, Betty Buckley's stepson on Eight is Enough.

If I hadn't let my subscription to Tiger Beat expire way back when I bet I coulda told them apart.

[Kringas]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 12:29pm

They both have that curly hair.

[etoile]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 12:37pm

Namo, I see the Left Behind videos all the time at my video store's "previously viewed" movie bin. Can't remember if they're on VHS or DVD, possibly both available. VHS are $2, DVD $3-5. Let me know if you'd like me to look for them next time I'm there.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 12:39pm

The movies are sooooooo messed up, yet riveting. I mean, how can you depict the apocalypse on a low budget? But still, I couldn't look away when the rabbi annouced that he realized that Jesus really IS the son of god!

[Kringas]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 12:42pm

Their basic premise is that a sin is a sin is a sin to God.

I'm a little rusty on my Christianity, but isn't that pretty much the case with most Christian religions? I know there are the mortal and venial sins within Catholicism, but it was always my understanding that to other religions all sins were equal (Even though we all know sodomy is really the very worst).

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 12:52pm

But why go to all the trouble of creating a Top Ten if all sins really are equal? Although I can definitely see how orchestrating genocide is exactly the same as calling my mom a doodie-head in front of her friends when I was eight. Naturally, this will condemn me to a buring pit for eternity by, as George Carlin pointed out, a God who LOVES me.

[lildogs]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 12:58pm

Since when is Kirk Cameron a "prominent voice" of "anything?"

[Kringas]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 1:00pm

It's just the Christians who made them the top ten. There are 613 in the Torah.

[lildogs]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 1:07pm

The Way of the Master....Kringas...never buy without the MSR seal of approval

[Gothampc]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 1:10pm

I watched this show. The Slate article, obviously liberally slanted, misses it. Athesists should have been embarrassed at what was representing them.

The woman tried to argue that Jesus never existed as a person (despite mentions in several writings of the time period). While Cameron was speaking, the man audibly muttered, "What a numbnuts". The atheists were very sarcastic and had no substantial argument or rebuttal.

I wish they had sent some intelligent atheists who could have made a decent argument for their point of view.

[JohnBoy2]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 1:15pm

I suppose Sanjaya is this generation's Sajid Khan.

[Kringas]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 1:15pm

Well, I'd agree that the atheist contingent wasn't exactly stellar, but I don't think the Christians had much to be proud of either. The conclusive "proof" that there is a god was essentially "because there is."

Updated On: 5/11/07 at 01:15 PM

[Borstalboy]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 1:17pm

Actually, I think the article did in fact state that the athiests acted "juvenile". I think both Christians and atheists were sold short in this "debate". Thanks, ABC!

[SorryGrateful]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 1:19pm

It does sound like an OK premise for a show, but, really, couldn't the producers have found people better able to represent either side?

[Calvin]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 1:20pm

They should have gotten Ted "The Million Dollar Man" DiBiase for the debate. He's the only born again minor celebrity whose opinion I value.

[lildogs]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 1:21pm

Doesn't trying to prove the existence of god defeat the purpose of religion? Religion is based on faith, be it in Jesus or Ganesha or whoever; any attempt to prove existence is tantamount to blasphemy--it implies that one NEEDS proof to believe, which if such proof existed would make said religion a fact and no longer a system of beliefs. It would then become a science.