NY Senate votes 'no' to gay marriage :-(

[CapnHook]

Posted: 12/2/09 at 12:18pm

UPDATE:

12,000 tuned in online at the gov't website to watch us lose the vote today.

ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

https://www.nysenate.gov/mediahttps://www.nysenate.gov/mediahttps://www.nysenate.gov/mediahttps://www.nysenate.gov/media

Scroll to the bottom where it says "LIVE VIDEO"

At this second they are at ease but it should begin soon. Everyone tune in and let the NY State gov't know that we care about this issue!!

https://www.nysenate.gov/mediahttps://www.nysenate.gov/mediahttps://www.nysenate.gov/mediahttps://www.nysenate.gov/media

Updated On: 12/2/09 at 12:18 PM

[CapnHook]

Posted: 12/2/09 at 12:21pm

LIVE NOW!

[romantico]

Posted: 12/2/09 at 12:21pm

SO,if it passes does that mean by November the Mormons can vote and have it overturned? That seems to be the trend nowadays. This would be great but I am so nervous.

[Roscoe]

Posted: 12/2/09 at 12:32pm

Hope for the best, expect the worst.

[artscallion]

Posted: 12/2/09 at 12:34pm

I wonder how this chump would like it if we put his rights up for a vote by the people.

Updated On: 12/2/09 at 12:34 PM

[CapnHook]

Posted: 12/2/09 at 12:34pm

Senator Ruben Diaz Sr. is a NIMROD! He lost credibility when he pronounced Arkansas as [Are-can-zess]. And it's not because of his Puerto rican accent. It's because of he's a nimrod.

[Roscoe]

Posted: 12/2/09 at 12:45pm

Don't insult nimrods.

[CapnHook]

Posted: 12/2/09 at 12:50pm

Senator Eric Adams can speak for my rights ANY DAY.

[artscallion]

Posted: 12/2/09 at 12:52pm

He was brilliant.

[CapnHook]

Posted: 12/2/09 at 1:25pm

HERE, HERE!! BRAVO, Senator Diane J. Savino!!

[broadwaytourist]

Posted: 12/2/09 at 1:45pm

I would definitely marry Savino!

[broadwaytourist]

Posted: 12/2/09 at 1:53pm

Sen. Hassell-Thompson is now running a close second in my marriage sweepstakes.!

[artscallion]

Posted: 12/2/09 at 2:17pm

With all this straight on gay love, it's a wonder the world hasn't built us a giant pedestal of esteem. Though I suppose the fear is that it'd eventually be turned into a pyre.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 12/2/09 at 2:42pm

Towleroad is live-blogging the senators' statements:

- Sen. Diaz Sr. - Marriage equality vote is "treason."
- Sen. Schneiderman: "You cannot legislate morality, but you can legislate justice."
- Sen. Adams: "I have never been more nervous than I am today." Read off names of states that sold Blacks into slavery: "Because a numerical majority is in one place. It does not mean they are in the right place." ... "You don't have to be gay to respect the rights of those who are."
- Sen. Klein: "We owe it to the entire gay community around New York to pass this legislation."
- Sen. Valesky: "That question for me gets to something that many of the speakers before me have indicated, that this is not a matter of religion. More importantly than that, it can't be a matter of religion."
- Sen. Parker: "We have an opportunity today to change our history. This is the time we strike a blow to one of the last inequalities...in our country."
- Sen. Espada tries to convince undecideds to vote YES: "If this vote were taken in my district today, same-sex marriage would fail...As it relates to today, undecided senators - let's write this headline for my 10th grandchild whose sonogram was sent to me yesterday - let's send a message of hope. Let's set forth a drumbeat of equal rights for all and let's not continue to be scared into ignorance."
- Sen. Savino: "I know many people are concerned about the destruction of the sanctity of marriage. What are we protecting when you look at the divorce rate in our society?"
- Sen. Krueger: "Some people think it's a hard vote. Why is it not hard for me? Because I'm a woman. And a Jew. And I know about discrimination. I don't understand how anyone can vote no."
- Sen. Montgomery: "I will only add that in my family, in my culture especially as it relates to my religion - I just want to remind my colleagues that it was considered if you were living together and not officially married, and this was in the olden days, that you were living in sin. So for those of you who wonder why we should support people being able to marry, we do not want them living in sin."
- Sen. Serrano: "History once again will prove this civil rights movement to be right and correct. No one should be subjugated to less rights than anyone else."
- Sen.Hassell-Thompson: "My oldest brother was gay. This is publicly, for the first time in my life that I've said that...I do know that because of his status those things he was supposed to be entitled to as a married couple he was not entitled to...This bill is about giving people the right to make the choice themselves..."
- Sen. Johnson: "Why not a civil union? That creates a separate but equal system. And it doesn't work. I think there's a time for us as a body to shine."
- Sen. Perkins: "More than half the people in this room would not be here at another point in time. Many of us have had the privilege of these movements which have made a difference. Get ready. Marriage equality is here. And it is inevitable."
- Sen. Oppenheimer:"Some people have said to me it diminishes their marriage. I don't understand that. Why would it diminish my marriage???"
- Sen. Stavinsky: "I can't stand here and oppose discrimination against Blacks, Jews, women, and condone discrimination against gay people."
- Sen. Smith: "What's wrong is not knowing what the Bible says and retreating to it. The Bible does not say that same-sex marriage is wrong. The Bible talks about individuals and their understanding for each other. What's wrong is when you use the Bible for your own purposes. Please don't quote the Bible or refer to it if you are not clear what it really means...I believe that this is the day history is going to record that the NY Senate stood up and did what's right."
- Sen. Duane - marriage bill's lead sponsor: "I do not give up. I do not know how to. There's sort of a paradox about this. The time is never right for civil rights. The economy, wars. The troubles we've had here in the senate. It's never ever the right time. But the paradox is, it's always the time to be on the right side of history."

Tom Duane is stalling while the GOP Senators who aren't in the chamber are being strong-armed.

Watch Live: New York Senate Debating Marriage Bill

[PalJoey]

Posted: 12/2/09 at 2:45pm

The Times is live-blogging it too.

Live-Blogging the Gay Marriage Debate

[mywonderwa11]

Posted: 12/2/09 at 2:46pm

I'm actually tearing up at some of those senator's statements. I'm really hoping for the best right now. It's time for change in our community.

When will we know the final say?

[CapnHook]

Posted: 12/2/09 at 2:54pm

More no's than yes's so far. Sad. We'll see...

[CapnHook]

Posted: 12/2/09 at 2:57pm

We lost 24 - 38 (?). :'-(

[gustof777]

Posted: 12/2/09 at 2:57pm

s**t

[CSonBroadway]

Posted: 12/2/09 at 2:59pm

If a flaming gay (in a good way) city like New York can't get rights, then where can it? I am so dissapointed in America

[Roscoe]

Posted: 12/2/09 at 3:02pm

Sh*t. If I'm going to be a second class citizen, can I at least pay second class taxes?

[mywonderwa11]

Posted: 12/2/09 at 3:03pm

Wow...really Senate?

[Schmerg_The_Impaler]

Posted: 12/2/09 at 3:03pm

Aurgh... my day is ruined... and I'm neither a New Yorker nor gay. I honestly wasn't very optimistic, but I really was hoping this would be passed.

[Pgenre]

Posted: 12/2/09 at 3:05pm

I'm ready for change (ready for change)
I'm ready for change (a change, a change)
I'm Ready, I'm ready, I'm ready
Ready for a change
Ready for a change
A change in my
... STATE.

P, with apologies to FWC

[Calvin]

Posted: 12/2/09 at 3:07pm

Maybe I SHOULD apply for that job in Connecticut...