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#26

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Another victory for bigotry. We're really being put in our place, aren't we?
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#29

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A special thanks to would-be felon senator Hiram Monserrate, who voted against it. I guess he wanted to make sure marriage remained a sacred institution between a man and a woman he can beat the crap out of. May the karmic bottle that someday slashes his face be infested with some form of flesh-eating bacteria.

Updated On: 12/2/09 at 03:18 PM

#30

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"Maybe I will after all."

Fat chance.
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Updated On: 12/2/09 at 03:23 PM

#32

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I am sorry to hear this result.

In Canada we had a large (and very vocal) number of people against it when some of the provinces began allowing same sex marraiages starting in 2001. Eventually our then Prime Minister (a liberal) sent the question to the supreme court who ruled that not allowing same sex couples to marry went counter to our charter or rights. Legislation was drafted and passed (by 2 votes) and same sex marriage became legal across our country in 2005.

Yes some of the religious groups were upset and they lobbied to have it revoked, even though the law allows each church to decide whether they will officiate same sex marriages, or not. Their campaigning eventually paved the way for the election of our current PM (a staunch conservative) who promised to re-open the debate. He did try, but by that time most of the MP's decided it had been settled and to leave it be, so they voted against re-opening debate. The matter is settled.

What bothered me all through the debate was that the people most opposed to it were not likely to ever be affected by it. No church is forced to marry same-sex couples (just as many Catholic churches will not allow marriages outside of the faith.)
I think that is the perfect solution: Let the churches decide and keep government out of marriage all together.

In time this question will wend its way to the U.S. supreme court, and I suspect the result will be similar. Be patient, and don't lose faith.

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#36

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No was all Republicans and these Democrats:

Joseph Addabbo
Darrel Aubertine
Shirley Huntley
Carl Kruger
Hiram Monserrate
George Onorato
William Stachowski
Ruben Diaz

Who'd have guessed the vote would have gone better if Joe freaking Bruno was there in place of one of those guys?
#37

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Well I most certainly will not vote for Onorato when his term is up. Even if he is a Democrat. I have contacted him with my dismay. Sadly, he has never responded to my opinions.
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#39

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Last night I stood in Carnegie Hall and sang "To Make Us Proud" from "White House Cantata":

To burn with Pride, and not with Shame
Each time I hear my country's name...
...this land needs love to make us proud...


I feel no Pride in this vote today.
It saddens and hurts me.
And those who voted no should feel Shame.
But, I admire PalJoey's way of finding the silver lining: that it was 'only' 8 votes.
That's 8 votes too many, but, there is hope.

And I know that New York will someday make me proud.

But, we have work to do. And votes of our own!
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#42

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What bothered me all through the debate was that the people most opposed to it were not likely to ever be affected by it

That's how it is everywhere. In America, we just have enough people willing to live their lives with theocratic influences when it suits them.

I have no faith that even if this made it to the Supreme Court that it would be a win for the pro-gay marriage side. I never underestimate the power of American homophobia.
#43

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Words of comfort from Rabbi Sharon Kleinbaum and Rabbi Ayelet Cohen, of the Congregation Beth Simchat Torah, NYC's GLBT synagogue:

The water is not yet at our nostrils.

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From Rabbi Sharon Kleinbaum and Rabbi Ayelet S. Cohen

Today, our community experienced a loss. We lost the vote--marriage equality will not pass in New York State in 2009. We know many of us have fought tirelessly in hope of achieving the recognition, the rights, and the respect of New York for our relationships and the relationships of our loved ones. We have given our time, our money, our voice, our bodies, and our very spirit to this cause. We had so much to look forward to, not the least of which would have been the countless ceremonies and professions of love that would have taken place in our CBST community. It is, without doubt, a tremendous loss.

Yet at the same time, as painful as it is, we wonder what silver lining we can find in this. Maybe it's naïve, but in some ways, we think we actually achieved something tremendous today. When the Israelites were at the Red Sea with the Egyptians at their heels, waiting for a miracle, one man, Nachshon stepped into the water so that it reached his ankles. The water did not split. Nachshon walked further, and the water reached his waist. Still, the water did not split. Nachshon walked further yet, and the water was at his neck. Still, the water did not split. It was not until the water was at Nachshon's nostrils that the Red Sea was divided for the Israelites to travel to safety and liberation.

At this point, we may feel as we imagine Nachshon did when the water was at his nostrils, terrified of drowning with no hope in sight. Like Nachshon, we must keep walking forward, knowing that the Red Sea will indeed split when it is ready. Unlike Nachshon, we are not waiting for divine intervention. We must look to our communities to support each other as we continue to walk through the Red Sea, fighting for liberation.

Also, marriage equality in New York is not our only sea to cross. Just this week, we achieved the first step for marriage equality in Washington D.C., adding it to the list with Massachusetts, Iowa, Vermont, and Connecticut. This was practically unthinkable ten years ago, with the water at our ankles. Even here in New York, we recently had a victory that made name changes for transgender folks easier. And on the marriage front, same-sex marriages from other states are now recognized in New York. And we are still fighting for the Dignity for All Students Act and the Gender Non-Discrimination Act in New York.

It may seem like the Red Sea may never split. The water is cold and the sun isn't even shining; crossing the Red Sea is no day at the beach. We will march on, and unlike Nachshon, we are not marching alone with thousands of Israelites waiting behind us. We have each other. Together, we will cross the Red Sea and all others that come before us.

L'shalom,
Rabbi Sharon Kleinbaum
Rabbi Ayelet S. Cohen

Updated On: 12/2/09 at 06:00 PM

#45

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It's a day of peace
A day of pride
A day of justice we have been denied.
Let the new day dawn!
Oh, Lord, I pray.
We'll never get to heaven 'til we reach that day.


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#46

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Encouraging words from the Rabbis. Thank you for posting them. Still, today's vote was personally disheartening to me, a New York resident since 1974 and in a same sex relationship with the same partner since 1975. Because there is always next year I intend to write to each senator personally to help encourage support for the next vote.
#50

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Saw this on another board and thought I would share.

You want marriage equality in New York? Here's your chance.

Let's be completely up front and pragmatic: it's not happening until 2011 at the earliest, but it can happen. Eight state senators need to be replaced in order to do it, and anyone who has seen the New York State Senate in action knows that between the Republicans and the turncoat Democrats it's a target rich environment. Here's a list of eight particularly noxious "nay" votes that are in potentially winnable seats. You want progress? These people all need to go. That takes volunteers, it takes candidates, and it takes money. In no particular order:

Joe Robach (R-Rochester) - Famous for having an affair with a subordinate, getting caught by her husband, beaten up by the husband, and being left naked outside while the husband called Robach's wife to come and get him. Also for having work done on his house illegally using taxpayer funds.

Carl Kruger (D-Brooklyn) - One of the turncoats who threatened to throw control back to the Republicans at the beginning of this year unless they were basically given extra pay and unlimited legislative control in the Senate.

Ruben Diaz Sr. (D-Bronx) - The guy who claimed that having the "Gay Games" take place in New York would result in an increase in AIDS cases and turn kids gay. Also another one of the turncoats.

Dale Volker (R-Depew) - Sponsor of the bill to ban gay marriage in New York, a man in control of a district gerrymandered to be 15 miles wide and 110 miles long, where he's held the same office for 35 years.

Martin Golden (R-Brooklyn) - No particular controversies, he's just basically a jerk by nature.

Shirley Huntley (D-Queens) A 71 year old sophmore legislator whose only previous claim to legislative experience is having been a member of the local school board.

Dean Skelos (R-Long Island) The guy who helped engineer the coup that nearly stopped us from even having a vote in the first place.

Hiram Monserrate (D-Brooklyn) A former police officer who, before he even got sworn in to office, was arrested for slashing his girlfriend in the face with a broken glass and dragging her out of the apartment.

Not to mention dozens of other Republicans all of whom voted solidly as a block against this bill.
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