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Nuclear Deal with Iran

As expected, the responses from the GOP candidates have all bashed this agreement. It will be interesting to see how it proceeds through Congress.



Based on what I've read about the contents of the agreement, it seems like a pretty fair deal for all. As you'd expect, the GOP candidates thought otherwise.



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"It does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are 20 gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg." -- Thomas Jefferson
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Nuclear Deal with Iran

Considering many democrats, including Schiff and Menendez, are strongly opposed, I wouldn't be so quick to call it "fair."


There will be classified briefings on aspects of the deal, which are not being made public, over the next month. What are they hiding from us?


The government is corrupt. My suspicion... and only a suspicion... is that this deal is a cover for a trade agreement between America and Iran for Iranian fossil fuels. Their product will be entering our oil market in a matter of months. Watch.

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Nuclear Deal with Iran

I would hardly say Schiff is "strongly opposed".



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"It does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are 20 gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg." -- Thomas Jefferson
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Nuclear Deal with Iran


"Impossible is just a big word thrown around by small men who find it easier to live in the world they've been given than to explore the power they have to change it. Impossible is not a fact. It's an opinion. Impossible is not a declaration. It's a dare. Impossible is potential. Impossible is temporary. Impossible is nothing.” ~ Muhammad Ali
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Nuclear Deal with Iran

Not sure when that statement was released, brian, but his tone was much more apprehensive and skeptical on a CNN interview yesterday. Perhaps I shouldn't have lumped him in with Menendez and Gabbard, who are both strongly opposed and said so yesterday afternoon.


Whatever. It doesn't matter to me. I am of the mindset that this is all a cover for "blood money" anyway.

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Menendez spoke of his dissatisfaction a nanosecond after the deal was announced and could not possibly have read the details, which St. Bernie Sanders said needed to be read.
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Nuclear Deal with Iran

Obviously, there have been many criticisms before the deal was finalized, based on varying degrees of reality. I think many of the initial reactions, on both sides, were based on those preconceived ideas. I've tried to read what I can find based on "serious" criticism (scientists, military, diplomats, etc.) and what I have found indicates that many of those serious concerns have been addressed in the final agreement. Of course, everything I'm reading is a one-off (at least), and I bring my own biases to the discussion.



However, if this pans out, it will be another major accomplishment for this administration.


"It does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are 20 gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg." -- Thomas Jefferson
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Yes.. good and fair points. I guess I just find it tough to cheer on, or push back, the deal and its merits when much of it is only being revealed in secret through classified briefings.

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Nuclear Deal with Iran

Yes but you cheer on the "free market" while claiming elected officials should be volunteers who work out of the goodness of their hearts, so let's just say you're perspective is particular to you
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Transparency has its place, I suppose, but not in delicate negotiations like these.


"It does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are 20 gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg." -- Thomas Jefferson
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Nuclear Deal with Iran

Each side will say it's a good deal or bad deal, but the truth is we won't know whether it is or not 10 years.


If in 10 years, when it is "allowed" to create a nuclear weapon, Iran makes good on its promises to "obliterate the Zionist entity," which in turn starts World War III, then it will have been a bad deal, the worst since Chamberlain's non-agression pact with Hitler.


If in 10 years, they don't do that, or anything similar, then it will have been a major achievement.


Meanwhile, like it or not, it is diplomacy at work.


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Nuclear Deal with Iran

I like the fact that we're trying and maybe this will bring Iran a new prosperity that they'll want to continue on with. Hopeful. At least can we eliminate them from the "axis of evil"?


Stephanatic
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Can you please elaborate on that and explain why you want the #1 sponsor of global terrorism to be removed from the "axis of evil"? Better be a damn good reason...

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Nuclear Deal with Iran

You have to hope these agreements spur them on to better things. Iran used to be a strategic ally, and with the ever changing relationships in the world isn't it OK to wish some good comes out of this?



Stephanatic
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South Florida. This deal and your desire to pretend that they're not the foremost supporters of global terrorism are not one in the same. You know that, right? Striking a deal is one thing. Removing them from State Sponsored Terrorist list is another and is, in fact, a terrible idea. One that not even Obama supports.

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Nuclear Deal with Iran

I wonder what time the Headcase will commence bombing of the Evil Empire in honor of his hero Ronnie Reagan?


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Think about how many countries have nukes and yeah, Iran currently leads the league in our definition of sponsored terrorism. But what are the real chances of Iran starting a nuclear war. Isn't it true that at the current time our two countries have some vital common interests, and in any case the spread of international terror seems to be coming from the heart of Iraq now, you remember, the country we were going to fix.


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"But what are the real chances of Iran starting a nuclear war."


At this point, probably around 50/50.


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Nuclear Deal with Iran

How do you think the families of the four hostages Iran is holding feel?



If anyone ever tells you that you put too much Parmesan cheese on your pasta, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.
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Nuclear Deal with Iran

It would be wonderful if they were all released.


CBS reporter Major Garrett asked Obama about this yesterday at the press conference, in a really obnoxious manner. Obama slapped him down, very adeptly:


MAJOR GARRETT: "As you well know, there are four Americans in Iran, three held on trumped-up charges, according to your administration, one whereabouts unknown. Can you tell the country, Sir, why you are content with all the fanfare around this deal to leave the conscience of this nation and the strength of this nation unaccounted for in relation to these four Americans?"


PRESIDENT OBAMA: "I gotta give you credit, Major, for how you craft those questions. The notion that I’m content as I celebrate with American citizens languishing in Iranian jails. Major, that’s nonsense and you should know better."


I love when he refuses to play their gotcha games.


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Nuclear Deal with Iran

Rather than judge it by its consequences, which are largely unforeseeable, perhaps we should judge it by the alternatives of not having reached a deal at all, which would almost certainly be disastrous, or - the alternative posed by a friend of mine yesterday when I asked what he proposed instead - of bombing Iran's nuclear facilities now, which would be insane.

Updated On: 7/16/15 at 03:48 PM

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Nuclear Deal with Iran

Too bad he didn't actually address the substance of the message... Only the messenger. I'd love to know what he had in mind to free/rescue the four Americans who are currently rotting away at the hands of our newly-established "frenemy."


Why didn't he address that, PalJoey?

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