Obama on Small Town Life- Page 2
Obama on Small Town Life
Gothampc
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/20/03
#25bammy tries to tell the truth
Posted: 4/12/08 at 12:04pm
"No, that's because I read it."
Yes, but did you understand it?
If anyone ever tells you that you put too much Parmesan cheese on your pasta, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.
#26bammy tries to tell the truth
Posted: 4/12/08 at 12:09pm
Apparently far better than you.
And I say "apparently" because all I see is your doctored spin. Your selective, edited quotes. Your tailoring of his remarks to fit your wants and needs.
Looks like a total lack of comprehension to me.
"Jaws is the Citizen Kane of movies."
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Broadway Legend Joined: 12/31/69
#27bammy tries to tell the truth
Posted: 4/12/08 at 1:12pmI saw the video on Fax News. If that was a crowd of rich liberals sitting on bleechers behind him dressed in work clothes and gimme caps then his set decorator should get a huge raise. Either that or rich liberals look very differnt in Pennsylvania.
#28bammy tries to tell the truth
Posted: 4/12/08 at 3:10pm
Today, Obama says he "erred":
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[Obama] said on Saturday he erred in how he expressed the concerns of those voters...Obama told a campaign rally in Muncie, Indiana, his description was clumsy and did not convey his meaning. "I didn't say it as well as I should have," said Obama,
...Obama said he believed many voters were indeed bitter about the economy and he meant to say "when you're bitter you turn to what you can count on." "So people -- they vote about guns, or they take comfort from their faith and their family and their community," he said. But he said he had not meant to imply that was a bad thing.
"The truth is that these traditions that are passed on from generation to generation, those are important. That's what sustains us," he said.
Obama says he erred in comments on "bitter" voters
#29bammy tries to tell the truth
Posted: 4/12/08 at 3:17pmAs a small-town Pennsylvanian I know that this is 100% true, and Besty is right when he says it NEEDS to be said. It is not elitist to tell the truth. It is extremely evident here (and all over the country) that the people who aren't doing well are the ones who are the most racist, homophobic, and immigrant-phobic people, and that they use religion and guns in ways that they are not meant to be used. Religion is about love, not hate. Guns should be used for hunting (a sport that is part of the culture here, and that is necessary to keep animal populations down) not threatening other people (specifically immigrants).
David walked into the valley
With a stone clutched in his hand
He was only a boy
But he knew someone must take a stand
There will always be a valley
Always mountains one must scale
There will always be perilous waters
Which someone must sail
-Into the Fire
Scarlet Pimpernel
#30bammy tries to tell the truth
Posted: 4/12/08 at 3:27pmSo Jacob--do you think this will make your small-town Pennsylvania neighbors more likely to vote for him?
#31bammy tells them ignorant rednecks what they ned to hear
Posted: 4/12/08 at 3:42pmtruth to power, bammy. speak it to them ignorant rednecks. tell them just how ignorant they really are. then let yer wife tell 'em that only you can heal their rotten and mean spirited souls. then have yer preacher tell 'em how white folks are the result of a botched experiment. just keep talking. please.
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#32bammy tells them ignorant rednecks what they ned to hear
Posted: 4/12/08 at 3:50pm
heh! it's almost too good!
in a response to the growing controversy over this flub, the bammy camp sent out the video at the link below. pay particular attention to the part where jack cafferty compares americans to al qaeda!
and the bammy campaign chose to send out this clip. why does bammy think that americans are like al qaeda?
when you're in a hole, keep on digging!!
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
Updated On: 4/12/08 at 03:50 PM
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#33bammy tells them ignorant rednecks what they ned to hear
Posted: 4/12/08 at 4:01pm
For those of you trying to pooh-pooh this, here's what's at stake:
Monday morning, both Clinton and Obama will be in Pittsburgh speaking before more than 1,000 steelworkers--churchgoing, gun-owning members of the Steelworkers union.
What's at stake is their endorsement.
DG
Broadway Legend Joined: 11/2/05
#34bammy tells them ignorant rednecks what they ned to hear
Posted: 4/12/08 at 4:03pmPJ - I don't see anyone 'pooh-poohing' this, I see people saying that he was telling the truth.
#35bammy tells them ignorant rednecks what they ned to hear
Posted: 4/12/08 at 4:08pm
PJ- All the people that I have talked to say it doesn't really matter and that they are still voting for who they had their mind set on (which is about a 50/50 split). That could just be what is going on here, but I hope people see the remarks for what they are, and not what the republicans/the Clinton campaign are trying to make them out to be.
The people that are going to be "affected" by these comments are the ones who weren't going to vote for Obama in the first place.
David walked into the valley
With a stone clutched in his hand
He was only a boy
But he knew someone must take a stand
There will always be a valley
Always mountains one must scale
There will always be perilous waters
Which someone must sail
-Into the Fire
Scarlet Pimpernel
#36bammy tells them ignorant rednecks what they ned to hear
Posted: 4/12/08 at 4:11pmyeah, the ignorant rednecks who "don't get" the bammy appeal.
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#37bammy tells them ignorant rednecks what they ned to hear
Posted: 4/12/08 at 4:24pm
What worries me about him becoming the Democratic candidate is that I don't think he can reach out to any but his core constituencies of young people, African-Americans and educated whites.
You can't win an election with just those constituencies. Even more than that, I remember the disillusionment that happened among my peers in 1972 when George McGovern lost to the already-nghtmarish Richard Nixon--in a landslide!
If Obama loses to McCain--which I think is inevitable--the potential for disillusionment is much much greater.
Far better to have 16+ years of progessive presidencies: Clinton/Obama in 2008 and 2012 and Obama/Feingold(?) in 2016 and 2020.
Unbeatable!
#38bammy tells them ignorant rednecks what they ned to hear
Posted: 4/12/08 at 4:29pmoh, pj. i feel for ya. i feel like dropping some peyote, drinking tequila with buchanan and writing a follow-up to fear and loathing on the campaign trail '72.
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#39bammy tells them ignorant rednecks what they ned to hear
Posted: 4/12/08 at 4:41pmDG--I see pooh-pooh.
#40bammy tells them ignorant rednecks what they ned to hear
Posted: 4/12/08 at 4:42pmthe #2 sense.
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
mejusthavingfun
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/12/06
#41bammy tells them ignorant rednecks what they ned to hear
Posted: 4/12/08 at 4:53pmI just love the likes of Clinton and McCain calling him and elitist. This will bounce right off him like the Rev. and his wife's flab. Look at the gains he's made in PA. Clinton should have been able to hold her lead with all this but nope. Everyday that goes by she loses more footing.
#42bammy tells them ignorant rednecks what they ned to hear
Posted: 4/12/08 at 4:56pmcountdown to the rest of the fenfen socks/personalities chiming in to support this ill-considered claim...
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#43bammy tells them ignorant rednecks what they ned to hear
Posted: 4/12/08 at 7:17pm
... his wife's flab...
Did someone say Michelle is fat?
#44bammy tells them ignorant rednecks what they ned to hear
Posted: 4/12/08 at 8:36pm
Gotta give Clinton & McCain credit for cashing in on Obama's ill-timed gaffe. I spent 10 years in rural PA and was never very optimistic about Obama's chances in the keystone state.
CubanPab & Mejusthavingfun--forgive me bros but I sincerely believe that this gaffe will cost Obama the party nomination. The super delegates are first and foremost politicos (or their operatives). I've been reluctant to introduce "race" into our threads about this election cycle, but Obama isn't white enough to recover from this one. I could go into a long drawn out explanation but I'm not.
Finally, if Hillary should offer him a spot on the ticket, I'm going to do an about face here and recommend that he pass on the offer. This entire race to the White House has been a referendum on her.
#FactsMatter...your feelings not so much.
Auggie27
Broadway Legend Joined: 10/13/03
#45bammy tells them ignorant rednecks what they ned to hear
Posted: 4/12/08 at 8:46pmAll the gloating going on here, my goodness. So be it. Let the freshly determined presumptive nominee of the Democratic Party ("Bill, let ME handle it" -- today's sound bite), finally emerge the victor so many want her to be, insiste she must be. She will soon win this all-cosuming PA vote, move onward with her 48 negative and finally unite the party. The Republican party.
"I'm a comedian, but in my spare time, things bother me." Garry Shandling
#46bammy tells them ignorant rednecks what they ned to hear
Posted: 4/12/08 at 8:56pm
Politico.com has 12 reasons 'bitter' is bad for Obama
1. It lets Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) off the mat at a time when even some of her top supporters had begun to despair about her prospects. Clinton hit back hard on the campaign trail Saturday. And her campaign held a conference call where former Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack, a Pittsburgh native, described Obama’s remarks as “condescending and disappointing” and “undercutting his message of hope.”
2. If you are going to say something that makes you sound like a clueless liberal, don’t say it in San Francisco. Obama’s views might have been received very differently if he had expressed them in public to Pennsylvania voters, saying he understood and could alleviate their frustrations.
3. Some people actually use guns to hunt — not to compensate for a salary that’s less than a U.S. senator’s.
4. Some people cling to religion not because they are bitter but because they believe it, and because faith in God gives them purpose and comfort.
5. Some hard-working Americans find it insulting when rich elites explain away things dear to their hearts as desperation. It would be like a white politician telling blacks they cling to charismatic churches to compensate for their plight. And it vindicates centrist Democrats who have been arguing for a decade that their party has allowed itself to look culturally out of touch with the American mainstream.
6. It provides a handy excuse for people who were looking for a reason not to vote for Obama but don’t want to think of themselves as bigoted. It hurts Obama especially with the former Reagan Democrats, the culturally conservative, blue-collar workers who could be a promising voter group for him. It also antagonizes people who were concerned about his minister but might have given him the benefit of the doubt after his eloquent speech on race.
7. It gives the Clinton campaign new arguments for trying to recruit superdelegates, the Democratic elected officials and other insiders who get a vote on the nomination. A moderate politician from a swing district, for example, might not want to have to explain support for a candidate who is being hammered as a liberal. And Clinton’s agents can claim that for all the talk of her being divisive, Obama has provided plenty of fodder to energize Republicans.
8. It helps Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) frame a potential race against Obama, even though both of them have found support among independents. Now Republicans have a simple, easily repeated line of attack to use against Obama as an out-of-touch snob, as they had with Sen. John F. Kerry after he blundered by commenting about military funding, “I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it.”
9. The comments play directly into an already-established narrative about his candidacy. Clinton supporters have been arguing that Obama has limited appeal beyond upscale Democrats — the so-called latte liberals. You can’t win red states if people there don’t like you. “Elites need to understand that middle-class Americans view values and culture as more important than mere trickery,” said Paul Begala, a Clinton backer. “Democrats have to respect their values and reflect their values, not condescend to them as if they were children who’ve been bamboozled.”
10. The timing is terrible. With the Pennsylvania primary nine days off, late-deciding voters are starting to tune in. Obama and Clinton are scheduled to appear separately on CNN on Sunday for a forum on, of all topics, faith and values. And ABC News is staging a Clinton-Obama debate in Philadelphia on Wednesday. So Clinton has the maximum opportunity to keep a spotlight on the issue. Besides sex, little drives the news and opinion industry more than race, religion, culture and class. So as far as chances the chattering-class will perpetuate the issue, Obama has hit the jackpot.
11. The story did not have its roots in right-wing or conservative circles. It was published — and aggressively promoted — by The Huffington Post, a liberally oriented organization that was Obama’s outlet of choice when he wanted to release a personal statement distancing himself from some comments by the Rev. Wright.
12. It undermines Democratic congressional candidates who had thought that Obama would make a stronger top for the ticket than Clinton. Already, Republican House candidates are challenging their Democratic opponents to renounce or embrace Obama’s remarks. Ken Spain, press secretary for the National Republican Congressional Committee, said: “There is a myth being perpetuated by Democrats and even some in the media that an Obama candidacy would somehow be better for their chances down ballot. But we don’t believe that is the case.”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9561.html
#47bammy tells them ignorant rednecks what they ned to hear
Posted: 4/12/08 at 9:24pmI can't wait for the Sun. news/talk shows. I'm sure this will be the main topic.
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#48bammy tells them ignorant rednecks what they ned to hear
Posted: 4/12/08 at 9:33pm
that makes it sound like superdelegates have been waiting for the window to be able to pick Hillary politically correctly. They are hoping the voters help make that easy or that there is a huge fumble. given the ups and downs by both candidates, I think time will tell. Who knows how this is gonna go?
I will say that so much is favoring Hillary. She does better than Obama against McCain in electoral college comparisons, for example.
But, yes, at this moment, it seems like mccain may have this. I'm not saying I believe that is certain against either candidate, but it's looking like both have a lot of work to do.
Updated On: 4/12/08 at 09:33 PM
#49bammy tells them ignorant rednecks what they ned to hear
Posted: 4/12/08 at 10:57pm
A lot of them have been. Otherwise, he'd have 2025 declared delegates already.
Apparently the reason Edwards and Gore have endorsed him is that they don't think he can win.
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