#26
Posted: 10/31/13 at 4:51pm
Obama's like all the rest. He'll come and go and be forgotten. Good riddance!
Obama's approval rating sinks to a new low — Page 2
#27
Posted: 10/31/13 at 4:52pm
What modern president was forgotten, Jim, for Obama to be considered "like all the rest"?
#28
Posted: 10/31/13 at 5:32pm
President Rosenbloom is all but forgotten today and I NEVER hear anyone talk about President McWhistlepants. So I guess maybe Jim's got a point.
#29
Posted: 10/31/13 at 6:14pm
Don't forget that according to Colyer, Lincoln was the worst president ever for failing to stop the Civil War (and emancipating the slaves, probably).
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#30
Posted: 10/31/13 at 8:00pm
Which of us is wrong? Which got blocked?
#31
Posted: 10/31/13 at 10:46pm
Kad, you should be too happy at this time to be concerned with Roxy!
And I agree that the low approval ratings for the President are not just about the ACA web site. It's about accountability in many areas and that ridiculous statement he keeps making about being able to keep your old insurance plan when it is very clear that, that is not going to happen. It's like turning up three kings in a poker game and insisting that it is three aces. Everyone can see the three kings. It is beyond silly.
But the failure of the ACA web site is of little consequence. What matters and what, it seems, very few people seem to be thinking about is what is going to happen when you need a doctor. When your leg breaks or you need an MRI in 2015 what will happen. How long will you have to wait?
If the only thing wrong with the ACA is the web site rollout, there is no problem. But if even half the doctors who say they won't participate don't participate then a web site really is of little consequence.
A lot of people are starting to ask the right questions. And I suspect that a lot of young people will become more interested in the facts and less with the rhetoric. They are largely the ones who are finding out that they can't really keep their old policies which they like.
And I agree that the low approval ratings for the President are not just about the ACA web site. It's about accountability in many areas and that ridiculous statement he keeps making about being able to keep your old insurance plan when it is very clear that, that is not going to happen. It's like turning up three kings in a poker game and insisting that it is three aces. Everyone can see the three kings. It is beyond silly.
But the failure of the ACA web site is of little consequence. What matters and what, it seems, very few people seem to be thinking about is what is going to happen when you need a doctor. When your leg breaks or you need an MRI in 2015 what will happen. How long will you have to wait?
If the only thing wrong with the ACA is the web site rollout, there is no problem. But if even half the doctors who say they won't participate don't participate then a web site really is of little consequence.
A lot of people are starting to ask the right questions. And I suspect that a lot of young people will become more interested in the facts and less with the rhetoric. They are largely the ones who are finding out that they can't really keep their old policies which they like.
#32
Posted: 11/1/13 at 6:19am
"It's about accountability in many areas and that ridiculous statement he keeps making about being able to keep your old insurance plan when it is very clear that, that is not going to happen."
Except for the over 80% of Americans who will be able to keep their plans.
Except for the over 80% of Americans who will be able to keep their plans.
#33
Posted: 11/1/13 at 7:10am
Yes, but that 20% is still a LOT of people who were promised that they wouldn't have to change.
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#34
Posted: 11/1/13 at 8:16am
Right. So the 12 million plus individuals who fall in that 20% are just disregarded, Erik? Do you think that's fair? I'd say that points back to the former director of the HHS exchange when he stated in September that there might be "some winners, and some losers." I ask why we must settle for that? Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of medical professionals coming out on the losing end, too. There has already been a sharp decline in new practicing doctors (I'll have to find the report). That I know. So, why are we shooting ourselves in the foot with the ACA? To me, that just doesn't make sense.
#35
Posted: 11/1/13 at 9:58am
"Right. So the 12 million plus individuals who fall in that 20% are just disregarded, Erik? "
I didn't say that. I'm just saying the vast majority of Americans will indeed be able to keep their current plan if they choose. Dented made it sound the opposite.
And those who are being forced to switch are doing so because their current plans don't meet the new standards set under the ACA. I think the new standards are a good thing.
Obama should have made this clear when he was selling the plan. The entire rollout has been a debacle.
I didn't say that. I'm just saying the vast majority of Americans will indeed be able to keep their current plan if they choose. Dented made it sound the opposite.
And those who are being forced to switch are doing so because their current plans don't meet the new standards set under the ACA. I think the new standards are a good thing.
Obama should have made this clear when he was selling the plan. The entire rollout has been a debacle.
#36
Posted: 11/1/13 at 10:15am
Another day, another bad poll for Mr Obama
Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports
www.rasmussenreports.com
Barack Obama's approval ratings for 10/31/2013:
Strongly Approve: 25%
Strongly Disapprove: 40%
Total Approve: 48%
Total Disapprove: 50%
Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports
www.rasmussenreports.com
Barack Obama's approval ratings for 10/31/2013:
Strongly Approve: 25%
Strongly Disapprove: 40%
Total Approve: 48%
Total Disapprove: 50%
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#37
Posted: 11/1/13 at 10:22am
"The entire rollout has been a debacle."
Something we agree on.
Maybe I'm just a hopeless optimist, but I think there is a much better solution out there where we don't have 'losers' and 'winners.' Then again, that is what our entire political system has become with the two parties; them vs. us, losers vs. winners. It's really nauseating. Wish someone could come along and blow that thinking out of the water.
Something we agree on.
Maybe I'm just a hopeless optimist, but I think there is a much better solution out there where we don't have 'losers' and 'winners.' Then again, that is what our entire political system has become with the two parties; them vs. us, losers vs. winners. It's really nauseating. Wish someone could come along and blow that thinking out of the water.
#38
Posted: 11/1/13 at 10:28am
The rollout is just the rollout. This is not a two month plan, the success will be long term. The rollout debacle will be forgotten by all except Ted Cruz and his minions.
SH*T happens - California installed a new system to track unemployment and it was all ffffed up also! The NYSE could not get the FB public offer right!
SH*T happens - California installed a new system to track unemployment and it was all ffffed up also! The NYSE could not get the FB public offer right!
#39
Posted: 11/1/13 at 10:38am
Liza...I think it would be impossible to do a massive reform of our health care system without pissing some people off. There's just too many variables.
#40
Posted: 11/1/13 at 11:01am
Erik, I don't think it is correct to say that 80% will not be affected. Many of that 80% are people who work for companies which get a one year delay. Many, if not most, of those policies will also have to change to meet the new requirements.
That is why I used the date 2015.
That is why I used the date 2015.
Updated On: 11/1/13 at 11:01 AM
#41
Posted: 11/1/13 at 11:13am
Some other interesting info from the same poll Carlos originally posted:
"Looking ahead to the 2014 election, 63% say that their own member of Congress should be replaced, another sign that growing public outrage over Washington's budget battles could matter this time. That's the highest number ever recorded on that question, dating back to when it was first asked in 1992.
"45% want a Congress controlled by Democrats in 2015, while 41% want a Republican-controlled Congress. And voters say by a 35-28 margin that they'll vote for the Democratic candidate — 30% prefer an independent or third-party candidate."
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"Looking ahead to the 2014 election, 63% say that their own member of Congress should be replaced, another sign that growing public outrage over Washington's budget battles could matter this time. That's the highest number ever recorded on that question, dating back to when it was first asked in 1992.
"45% want a Congress controlled by Democrats in 2015, while 41% want a Republican-controlled Congress. And voters say by a 35-28 margin that they'll vote for the Democratic candidate — 30% prefer an independent or third-party candidate."
Link
Updated On: 11/1/13 at 11:13 AM
#42
Posted: 11/1/13 at 11:34am
As far as keeping health plans, that's the reason I'm caught in the ACA website hell right now. My individual Blue Cross Blue Shield plan has been cancelled, effective this coming December 15th.
Blue Cross Blue Shield offers new ACA plans now, along with two other insurance companies in the state, but the only way for me to apply and receive a tax credit is to go through the ACA's main website. If I apply directly to Blue Cross or any of the others, I can't get the discount. And the difference between $350 per month (or so) and $80 per month, makes it worth the pain an agony.
Still, I'm one of the 20 percent (really? is that all?) who have been forced out of their existing plan.
Blue Cross Blue Shield offers new ACA plans now, along with two other insurance companies in the state, but the only way for me to apply and receive a tax credit is to go through the ACA's main website. If I apply directly to Blue Cross or any of the others, I can't get the discount. And the difference between $350 per month (or so) and $80 per month, makes it worth the pain an agony.
Still, I'm one of the 20 percent (really? is that all?) who have been forced out of their existing plan.
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#43
Posted: 11/1/13 at 11:54am
Out of curiosity Best...do the ACA plans offer you better coverage than your old plan?
#44
Posted: 11/1/13 at 3:37pm
But, see, that's my problem: that is no justification. Simply because the ACA plans may be deemed as "better" by you or the government doesn't necessarily make it the right or ideal plan. All individuals are different.
Anyway. You understand why the Administration is pushing all of these standards, right? They need that 20% to be forced into the ACA pool. Without them, this law and new system doesn't work because it can't pay for itself. It needs those younger, healthy, financially sustainable individuals to offset and subsidize the others. If, for whatever reason, a good percentage decide to just pay the fine and not enroll the ACA will undoubtedly collapse.
Anyway. You understand why the Administration is pushing all of these standards, right? They need that 20% to be forced into the ACA pool. Without them, this law and new system doesn't work because it can't pay for itself. It needs those younger, healthy, financially sustainable individuals to offset and subsidize the others. If, for whatever reason, a good percentage decide to just pay the fine and not enroll the ACA will undoubtedly collapse.
#45
Posted: 11/1/13 at 3:40pm
Or maybe, just maybe, they don't want people paying exorbitantly high rates for "junk" insurance plans.
#46
Posted: 11/1/13 at 3:47pm
Joe, you do not need to educate me on the ACA. I understand it, and how flawed it is. In fact, I am actually in support of a single payer system. This approach, however, is just a poor attempt at meeting in the "middle" and I fear it will not work though I am happy for the most needy who will have access to insurance.
Also, my only problem with the new 'standards' of the ACA opens up new shoppers in the market to unnecessary coverage; such as spousal, maternity, and so on.
Also, my only problem with the new 'standards' of the ACA opens up new shoppers in the market to unnecessary coverage; such as spousal, maternity, and so on.
#47
Posted: 11/1/13 at 3:56pm
Oh! That's your only problem with the ACA? I'm glad you cleared that up because I was under the mistaken impression that all these doctors who are giving up medicine was the problem, or the 20% of people who lose coverage or the "Debacle" of the rollout or any of the other things you've railed against. I'm glad to hear I was wrong.
And again, for the record, I wish we had a single-payer system too.
And again, for the record, I wish we had a single-payer system too.
#48
Posted: 11/1/13 at 4:04pm
Joe, you misread that. What I stated was my "only" problem against the new policy standards, not the ACA. I have multiple problems with the ACA, as you so aptly pointed out and I'm really not shy about sharing that. i'll continue to rail against it. I say it again: the intent was honorable, the execution was flawed.
"And again, for the record, I wish we had a single-payer system too."
We agree on something.
"And again, for the record, I wish we had a single-payer system too."
We agree on something.
#49
Posted: 11/1/13 at 9:43pm
A very interesting piece by Todd Purdum (whom Bill Clinton called "a dishonest reporter," so you can decide how you think his politics inform his writing) on Obamacare.
The Obamacare sabotage campaign
The Obamacare sabotage campaign
#50
Posted: 11/1/13 at 9:45pm
No sh*t, right?
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