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#26

Obamacare Rides Again to The Rescue - Not

Posted: 3/25/14 at 7:33pm

What is the evidence that Obama "flat out lied" when he said one could keep their current coverage? Any sane person fluent in English would have to know he meant "as long as your insurance company continues to offer that coverage". And that much is true.

The problem with Obamacare is the lack of restrictions on insurance companies, who are free to set reimbursements at rates providers are unable to accept. You can thank Congress for that.

That is not the health care reform on which Obama campaigned. If we had the single-payer plan he original proposed, we wouldn't be having this discussion. But he chose to take what he could get past a Congress dominated by insurance co. and Big Pharma contributions rather than forsaking all reforms whatsoever.

BTW in general, a prediction ("you can keep your current coverage") that doesn't come true isn't necessarily a lie.

#27

Obamacare Rides Again to The Rescue - Not

Posted: 3/25/14 at 7:35pm

When are told what the cutoff date is for signing up and than Obama just keeps changing it at will.

I signed up in December and haven't changed a thing. You can't absolve Blue Shield on my account.

And the delays in cutoffs are intended, in part, to allow insurance companies to get their acts together. In my experience, they needed the extra time.

Updated On: 3/25/14 at 07:35 PM

#28

Obamacare Rides Again to The Rescue - Not

Posted: 3/25/14 at 7:46pm

Single payer means a much heftier price tag for people. As far as blaming congress, blame the democratic party as they are the ones who passed the law with out GOP input or help.

If not a lie, why are people so mad? Why have normally liberal media repeatedly called him out on it. A lie is a lie no matter how you dress it up. Imagine if a Republican president had said this. I guarantee it would be called a lie.

The insurance companies could no longer offer the coverage people had in the past. They knew they would have to drop doctors as this is the only way this could have a shot at this thing working.

Doctors are being dropped because they have to be affliated with numerous hospitals. If they only have one or two, they are gone. My urologist only comes in to a health care facility once a week. He is jumping thru hoops to comply with the law and is totally disgusted.

Doctors you can see in the future will be like this . Doctors who are affliated with 1 hospital are doomed.

They had a few years to get ready for this. How much longer did they need?

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Updated On: 3/25/14 at 07:46 PM

#29

Obamacare Rides Again to The Rescue - Not

Posted: 3/25/14 at 7:49pm

It's fun to read Roxy's posts with Eeyore's voice!

Those Blocked: SueStorm. N2N Nate. Good riddence to stupid! Rad-Z, shill begone!

#30

Obamacare Rides Again to The Rescue - Not

Posted: 3/25/14 at 7:51pm

Even a line like "She was happy before" works in Eeyore's voice. Because we NEVER heard she was happy before.

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#31

Obamacare Rides Again to The Rescue - Not

Posted: 3/25/14 at 7:53pm

Roxy, is English not your first language?

A lie is a knowing falsehood. When making a prediction about the future, it is always possible that one's statement may turn out to be untrue; that doesn't make it a lie at the time.

If I say Hillary Clinton will be elected President in 2016 and she is not, I'm not lying, I'm just mistaken.

The plan passed by Congress WAS the GOP plan, make no mistake about it. The Dems stupidly adopted it, hoping to gain GOP support, only to find the GOP had no intention of supporting any reform.

But that's the history and how we got here.

What we need are clear Democratic majorities in 2014 that will allow Congress to fix the problems with the healthcare law.

Updated On: 3/25/14 at 07:53 PM

#32

Obamacare Rides Again to The Rescue - Not

Posted: 3/25/14 at 7:54pm

^^^ Somebody just hopped on The Last Train to Blocksville.

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#33

Obamacare Rides Again to The Rescue - Not

Posted: 3/25/14 at 7:58pm

That will do it. Democratic majorities will just allow what is called a dictatorship. The thought of how much damage can be done is mind boggling. If the democrats "fix" this god help us all.

The sarcasm re English was not necessary. Rather than beat a dead horse here, we will agree to disagree.

Do not see your hope happening. The House will stay GOP and the Senate may turn.

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#34

Obamacare Rides Again to The Rescue - Not

Posted: 3/25/14 at 8:01pm

Roxy, "lie" is a simple, English word. It's only natural to assume that someone who doesn't understand its meaning may not be a native speaker.

And that has nothing to do with Barack Obama.

#35

Obamacare Rides Again to The Rescue - Not

Posted: 3/25/14 at 8:09pm

Roxxy is a dumb, old bag.

But, Gaveston... Even Obama himself admitted he was "wrong" for his statement about keeping your healthcare plan. That's not a lie by any means, but it's also not exoneration. Not sure why you're trying to defend or excuse it. Obama clearly took responsibility for the inaccurate statement.

#36

Obamacare Rides Again to The Rescue - Not

Posted: 3/25/14 at 8:13pm

Something tells me you didn't read all of gaveston's posts, since he covered how he reached his conclusions. Not surprising, you're as wedded to your libertarian failure of Obamacare narrative as Roxy is to Fox's.

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#37

Obamacare Rides Again to The Rescue - Not

Posted: 3/25/14 at 8:18pm

As expected Liza, I do not agree with you so you resort to name calling. I would never do that to you but I thought you were above the name calling crowd. I was mistaken

Life goes on

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#38

Obamacare Rides Again to The Rescue - Not

Posted: 3/25/14 at 8:22pm

Liza drank the Kool-Aid!

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#39

Obamacare Rides Again to The Rescue - Not

Posted: 3/25/14 at 8:30pm

Actually, you're right Namo. I admit I skimmed. APOLOGIES if he addressed it. Speaking of Liza drinking kool-aid..

Obamacare Rides Again to The Rescue - Not

#40

Obamacare Rides Again to The Rescue - Not

Posted: 3/25/14 at 9:35pm

Obamacare is far from perfect. It was made less so by Obama negotiating with the GOP. Roxy, do you not remember the massive fluster cluck when Nixon helped issue in HMOs? Let us talk about people losing doctors who the insurance companies did feel the needed to recognize.
I have health insurance and, in a few years will be eligible for Medicare. I know for a FACT, my 79 year old mother has been saving a lot of money under the new health care milieu. Specially in drug costs.

Those Blocked: SueStorm. N2N Nate. Good riddence to stupid! Rad-Z, shill begone!

#41

Obamacare Rides Again to The Rescue - Not

Posted: 3/25/14 at 10:55pm

As I typed earlier, my partner and I are benefitting greatly from The Affordable Care Act. I am also a New Yorker.

As for lying... Mr. Roxy, do you really want to go there? I am so over Republican talking points. Of course, anyone who's coverage didn't include what was being mandated would change.

I for one - and I'm a gay man - am pleased that preexisting conditions, woman's reproductive issues, etc. are being mandated. I too would have preferred universal healthcare, but it seems that is far too progressive for our country, or at least the politician's feared so.

As I have written in the past, I have lived outside of The United States, in Germany, where universal coverage was in effect. I can tell you that most of the myths we heard during the healthcare debate were unfounded. Some - by Republicans - down right lies. Yes, it was more expensive, but the care was exemplary. None of the waiting that everyone was warned against. As for the quality of care, it is true that the very wealthy in this country have perhaps the best care in the world, but for the 99%, what was being offered to the people of Germany was far better than anything I had ever received here in The United States when covered by traditional insurance.

Want to really talk about lies?

It saddens me that your wife has struggled and I wish that her situation gets resolved, but for many of us (millions), The Affordable Care Act, is a real opportunity for proactive healthcare.

ARTc3 formerly ARTc. Actually been a poster since 2004. My name isn't Art. Drop the "3" and say the signature and you'll understand.

#42

Obamacare Rides Again to The Rescue - Not

Posted: 3/25/14 at 11:25pm

Roxy's story is a self-fulfilling prophesy told by an unreliable narrator.

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#43

Obamacare Rides Again to The Rescue - Not

Posted: 3/25/14 at 11:47pm

How about the cost of broadway tickets?

Those Blocked: SueStorm. N2N Nate. Good riddence to stupid! Rad-Z, shill begone!

#44

Obamacare Rides Again to The Rescue - Not

Posted: 3/25/14 at 11:49pm

Thanks Obama!

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#45

Obamacare Rides Again to The Rescue - Not

Posted: 3/25/14 at 11:52pm

I was going to make a joke about how Mrs. Roxy doesn't even need Obamacare since it doesn't cover veterinarian bills, but I'm not going to make it.

#46

Obamacare Rides Again to The Rescue - Not

Posted: 3/26/14 at 12:27am

I personally find it absolutely hysterical that some people actually believe that since the national transition into a completely new Healthcare system has been bumpy, we should just abandon it and resort back to our previous system (which was flawed, unfair, and more about the money than actually taking care of the USA's citizens.)
When you look at other countries with systems similar to what we are trying to transition to, they are doing just fine. Some are amazing in fact (Norway I believe is a thriving country.)
What this law is basically doing is ensuring that people who couldn't afford healthcare in the previous system, will now be covered. Yes, there have been a lot of bumps. But I don't see how that means we should just stick to our crappy old system.
Plus, why are people blaming Obama and the Dem's when a lot of the anger should be directed at the huge insurance companies instead?

"Life in theater is give and take...but you need to be ready to give more then you take..."

#47

Obamacare Rides Again to The Rescue - Not

Posted: 3/26/14 at 2:20am

I only read a few posts before I got bored, but I wanted to ask this of Mr and Mrs Roxy.

How do you know that your longtime primary care doctors didn't opt out of the ACA? IF your doctors chose to opt out, then that's not on Obama. That's on the doctors for not signing up.

#48

Obamacare Rides Again to The Rescue - Not

Posted: 3/26/14 at 2:28am

Is there REALLY a Mrs. Roxy? And why doesn't she have her own BWW acct. Speak for yourself, Mrs. Roxy. :P

#49

Obamacare Rides Again to The Rescue - Not

Posted: 3/26/14 at 2:39am

Blow up dolls can't speak for themselves.

#50

Obamacare Rides Again to The Rescue - Not

Posted: 3/26/14 at 8:29am

There was a ton of opposition and problems implementing social security when it first passed. I guess it's a good thing for Mr. and Mrs. Roxy that people didn't give up on that as fast as he wants to give up on the ACA.

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