Patriotism: Would you die for your country? — Page 4

"How so? Do you seriously think that enough people who thought Bush was a bad president during his first term voted to get him elected to a second term?"

yes. they are known as the religious right who voted for him because he was a Christian, and that was thier only criteria. I come from a family of 'em who all have generic thank you letters from George and Laura on their fridge right now.

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way too many people flapping their gums here who do not realize in many countries some of what you have said on the board would have already convicted you and sometimes your family of treason and would have been your death sentence.

The beauty of this country is you CAN say all of that. So remember that when saying you would not die for your country what exactly that means.

Dying for your country doesn't mean dying for Bush, et al.....it means dying so that our freedoms are preserved as MANY died so that you could say what you want, be who you are, and live (for the most part) how you want.

Do not insult the memories of those who made that so.

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Updated On: 11/6/07 at 07:12 PM

"You can't hold those who have died to preserve that right up on a pedestal, and in the next breath tell us not to insult their memory."

of course I can, because Im understand their sacrifice.

As to "no war is just", which is the jist of the rest of your post.....one only needs to look back to the early 1940's to see that that statement is a crock.

Or would you perhaps have us as part of a Nazi superpower? Or perhaps we should have been happy being a British colony.....and be bowing to the Queen now, or better yet....TWO Americas on this continent....one with slavery in this century.
No war is just....yeah, right.

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Updated On: 11/6/07 at 07:28 PM

I think the whole discussion is clouded by the view of the war in Iraq.

I would die to defend this country, and while there are other places that may afford similar protections of speech, this is my home, and if attacked, I would defend it, with my life if necessary.

Bush's foreign policy, and his miserable, failed Administration have done much to distort and damage what a true patriot looks like.

In my mind, patriotism is not blindly following the lead of whoever is in power. But, it is being willing to step up and fight when threatened by a clear and present danger. We were not threatened by Iraq, and thus that war is not a proper reference point for purposes of determining who is and who is not a patriot (at least to me).

Elphaba: I would not die for this country.

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Elphaba, I want you in my foxhole.

I would NEVER die for this country!!!