Patriotism: Would you die for your country? — Page 3

"Booooo, Bush Bad, War Bad, America Bad!" and still enjoy the benefits of living here

So during a Democratic administration you're still happy as a bigoted clam?

We had the opportunity to change the course of this war in 2004 and Americans failed to do that. Mostly because they were so busy voting against gays and lesbians.

Yeah, and if those are the people that make up "my" country, I can't fathom why I should even be expected to want to die for them.

"But you're right, you do have the freedom to say all that and more. Which is why I personally DO love America."

But again, you could live in Norway or Spain or Canada or Japan or dozens of other countries, criticize the government all you wanted without fear of retribution and actually be able to get a world class education for free (instead of the second rate one, by world standards, most kids get here) and if, god forbid, you got very sick and needed medical care that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, you wouldn't have to sell your house and declare bankruptcy as a result. You also wouldn't have a government spending trillions on ill-advised military campaigns that makes you resented throughout the world and the enemy of millions and instead spent its tax income on improving the quality of life of its citizens.

Let me flip the question: in what specific ways is better to live in America if you earn less than, say $100,000/year (not that that's rich, by any means, anywhere in this country) than it would be if you made a comparable income in, say, France or the UK?

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Updated On: 11/6/07 at 01:29 PM

We had the opportunity to change the course of this war in 2004 and Americans failed to do that

Did we? I apparently missed the "do you want to war to continue - check "yes" or "no" memo.

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Don't look at me, I didn't vote for him

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"the people that did vote for Bush, and have since jumped on the anti-Bush bandwagon don't have a leg to stand on, and have no right at all to complain about him."

Oh, now, I didn't vote for Bush, but that statement is just wrong on all counts.

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Ohhhh, so that's how the holocaust happened. Once Hitler turned stupid, the folks who used to support him were obliged to shut up and ignore the genocide.

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It shouldn't matter how long it takes someone to wake up. Once they do, they should still be able to stand up and say, "Hey! Cut that out!"

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thank you Artscallion. I'm still shaking my head in wonder at Pippin's logic.

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it just angers me that middle america who were so gung ho Bush back in 04 have finally woken up to what the rest of us knew all along: That he was the wrong man for the job. It's great that they now vocalise their opinion, making Bush the most unpopular President in history, but it's very frustrating that they couldn't have woken up 3 years ago and seen past all the anti-gay, anti-abortion, family values crap that Rove pushed on the nation. That's all. I understand how my backward logic sometimes may not make as much sense on a computer screen as it does in my head.

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Christ...he's not a lawmaker! I read that as being hyperbole.

And frankly, whenever I hear a convert, I want to say, 'Shut it...it's your fault we have him. Deal with it.'

So I get the 'no right' claim.

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I certainly hope so, but I feel that they are of the mindset that a republican is a republican is a republican, and that's how they will vote, once again putting partisan feelings before sensibility.

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"Christ...he's not a lawmaker! I read that as being hyperbole.

And frankly, whenever I hear a convert, I want to say, 'Shut it...it's your fault we have him. Deal with it.'

So I get the 'no right' claim. "



thank you...that's ALL I'm sayin'

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Updated On: 11/6/07 at 02:09 PM

OK, I gotta be honest and say that I don't want to get further into an argument here. I hate it.

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