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#26

President O'Bama's European tour

Posting anything about Obama is to Goth what a barrel organ is to a little monkey with a fez on.
"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."
#27

President O'Bama's European tour

But those little monkeys are so cute! And adding people clothes to the mix just make them even cuter!
#28

President O'Bama's European tour

Enough already! I thought you guys were supposed to unite behind the President when he is on the International stage.

I’ve been expecting some substantive debate on current international affairs here.

Get this:

“For both of our nations, living up to the ideals enshrined in these founding documents has sometimes been difficult, has always been a work in progress.

"The path has never been perfect. But through the struggles of slaves and immigrants; women and ethnic minorities; former colonies and persecuted religions, we have learned better than most that the longing for freedom and human dignity is not English or American or Western - it is universal, and it beats in every heart.”

Anti-Americanism, a commonsense understanding of human nature or an accurate interpretation of the evolution of world history?

And this

“But make no mistake: what we saw, what we are seeing in Tehran, Tunis and Tahrir Square is a longing for the same freedoms that we take for granted here at home. It was a rejection of the notion that people in certain parts of the world don't want to be free, or need to have democracy imposed upon them. It was a rebuke to the world view of al-Qaeda, which smothers the rights of individuals, and would thereby subject them to perpetual poverty and violence. Let there be no doubt: the United States and United Kingdom stand squarely on the side of those who long to be free.

“We do this knowing that the West must overcome suspicion and mistrust among many in the Middle East and North Africa - a mistrust that is rooted in a difficult past. For years, we have faced charges of hypocrisy from those who do not enjoy the freedoms that they hear us espouse. To them, we must squarely acknowledge that yes, we have enduring interests in the region - to fight terror, sometimes with partners who may not always be perfect, and to protect against disruptions in the world's energy supply. But we must also insist that we reject as false the choice between our interests and our ideals; between stability and democracy. Our idealism is rooted in the realities of history - that repression offers only the false promise of stability; that societies are more successful when their citizens are free; and that democracies are the closest allies we have.”

To face history head on and use the principles of our respective societies to address it without apology is pretty bold. Of course it may be empty rhetoric – you can judge that better than I.

And with mentions of Manchester and Alan Turing he has obviously done his homework and not reached for the obvious clichés.

Goth, Namo, Reggie: your thoughts, gentlemen, please?

And then I’ll buy a round of Guinness.

Full speech
#29

President O'Bama's European tour

I also have to say I'm well impressed with Mrs Obama, demonstrating commitment by returning to meet the same schoolgirls she met here last time.

How I wish any British politician or member of the Royal Family would have the courage and strength of character to so demonstrably, blatantly and beautifully encourage aspiration.



The First Lady

Updated On: 5/25/11 at 04:23 PM

#30

President O'Bama's European tour

Scripps2, I'll make a more lengthy comment after I've read or watched the entire speech.

However, the problem with Obama is that his schtick is always soaring rhetoric that he reads off a teleprompter. He doesn't mean a word he says in these speeches.

For example:

But make no mistake: what we saw, what we are seeing in Tehran, Tunis and Tahrir Square is a longing for the same freedoms that we take for granted here at home. It was a rejection of the notion that people in certain parts of the world don't want to be free, or need to have democracy imposed upon them. It was a rebuke to the world view of al-Qaeda, which smothers the rights of individuals, and would thereby subject them to perpetual poverty and violence. Let there be no doubt: the United States and United Kingdom stand squarely on the side of those who long to be free.

If he truly believed this, he wouldn't be giving Israel a hard time and entertaining the idea of them removing to their 1967 borders.
If anyone ever tells you that you put too much Parmesan cheese on your pasta, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.
#31

President O'Bama's European tour

If Dubya had been President when the tornados were destroying vast parts of the country, democrats would be all over him for his insensitivity & demand he come home. Obama is having a high old time while people are really hurting here. Strangely no one is saying a word. When there are disasters overseas, we are always showing our generosity by giving aid. In our time of need here, the rest of the world & many in this country are strangely silent.

We do not need to see him down a few pints in an Irish pub saying I'm home. We need him here. His hosts would have understood. I guess this gives one an idea where his priorities are.

Start hurling the brickbats now.

Come on now NAMO. We need your witty (not) advice about now.
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Updated On: 5/25/11 at 06:13 PM

#32

President O'Bama's European tour

I still maintain that there is a difference between silence (Bush) and an address to those suffering, along with an immediate plan to visit the area (Obama).

I also say there's a difference between finishing a series of state visits (Obama) and staying on vacation (Bush).

You're welcome to disagree and hurl your own brickbats.
#33

President O'Bama's European tour

So when a President is overseas and a disaster hits home is he suppose to drop everything and come back and tour the disaster area? If he does that the Republicans will say he is doing it for a photo op.

When Katrina hit Bush was not overseas or out of the country. He was on his typical annual month long vacation in Crawford.Do you really want to go there Roxy? The petty things your party finds to criticize Obama over is just pathetic.I'm surprised impeachments hearings have not begun over Obama's Toast to the queen scandal or him murdering an innocent Muslim on May 1st.You Republicans really need to focus on bigger issues.
'There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently' -Robert Evans-
#34

President O'Bama's European tour

Yeah, "We believe the borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines, with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states" is really giving them "a hard time."
#35

President O'Bama's European tour

And, more important, "smothers the rights of individuals, and . . . thereby subject[s] them to perpetual poverty and violence."

I think the word we're all looking for is "huh?"

Updated On: 5/25/11 at 09:18 PM

#36

President O'Bama's European tour

I love the implication that never giving a speech is inherently superior than giving speeches using a tele-prompter. It demonstrates, what? Superior intellect?


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#37

President O'Bama's European tour

I love the idea that permeates from the red side of the US that the 'POTUS' can save people's lives and make a damned bit of difference to a natural disaster or college shooting by flying home from an international engagement. Especially when their last President could barely tie his shoelace, let alone save lives.

For what it's worth, we Irish are not sitting here waiting for someone to come "home", claim Irishness and have a Guinness. We actually find it pretty pathetic and it's a point of humour here. The fact that O(')bama clearly took the piss at the beginning of his Dublin speech with reference to the heritage and Moneygall etc was seen as the correct measure. Ultimately, we respect him on this side of the world because the things he has done so far in his administration which have been seen as controversial over there are rights that we over take for granted. It's incredible to us that so many in America are opposed to the most basic freedoms because all they care about is their paycheck and God on the greenback.

My O'Irish .02.
The rain we knew is a thing of the past -
deep-delving, dark, deliberate you would say
browsing on spire and bogland; but today
our sky-blue slates are steaming in the sun,
our yachts tinkling and dancing in the bay
like racehorses. We contemplate at last
shining windows, a future forbidden to no one.


Derek Mahon

"Maybe all one can do is hope to end up with the right regrets."

Arthur Miller
#38

President O'Bama's European tour

"I love the idea that permeates from the red side of the US that the 'POTUS' can save people's lives and make a damned bit of difference to a natural disaster or college shooting by flying home from an international engagement."

That's not the point. The people on the left in the US are huge hypocrites. When Bush had his disaster moments (9/11; Katrina) the left heavily criticized him for not going to the scene immediately. Yet when Obama has the same thing, they have no problem saying it's ok that Obama doesn't rush there.

All the things that Bush was criticized for, Obama gets a pass on for doing the same thing or something even worse.
If anyone ever tells you that you put too much Parmesan cheese on your pasta, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.
#39

President O'Bama's European tour

And I think you, Goth (and many like you), are a hypocrite because you are INCAPABLE of criticizing Bush or any other Republican. And you know for a fact that the reverse is not true. We criticize Obama A LOT on this very board, and other Democrat politicians as well. We just don't necessarily agree with YOUR criticisms.

#41

President O'Bama's European tour

Bush is no longer POTUS. Liberals still act like Bush is in charge and Palin is VP. If the media focused as much attention on Obama as they do on Palin, people would be shocked at what a screw up Obama really is.

People tried to make Bush look foolish when he wasn't. Obama really is foolish and people are trying desperately to cover it up.
If anyone ever tells you that you put too much Parmesan cheese on your pasta, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.
#43

President O'Bama's European tour

^^^ Yeah because he signed a guestbook as 2008? Because he didn't know how to make a toast to another nation's leader? Because he said his first Guinness ever was better than the ones he never drank in the US? No wait, that was all Obama the Witty.
If anyone ever tells you that you put too much Parmesan cheese on your pasta, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.
#44

President O'Bama's European tour

Liberals still act like Bush is in charge and Palin is VP.

No, I'm pretty sure they are relieved Bush and Palin are neither of those things.

People tried to make Bush look foolish when he wasn't.

"People" (read: the GOTCHA media) didn't have to "try". All that was needed was a camera and a microphone at pretty much any old time. Bush did the rest. Every single President has made themselves look a fool at some point (yes, that include Obama), but none so often or so universally criticized as Bush since Nixon.

"What can you expect from a bunch of seitan worshippers?" - Reginald Tresilian

Updated On: 5/26/11 at 02:35 PM

#46

BREAKING NEWS: Bush was a Terrible President! DEAL WITH IT!

Goth, you are the one bringing Bush up not us. Bush was an idiot.Its just a fact. Deal with it. Obama is smarter than Bush,another inconvenient fact. Both Bush and Palin do and say stupid things. When the media reports on these things they are labeled bias and liberal.

So,who is covering up Obama's mistakes Goth? Do tell? IS this how your party sleeps at night? By pretending Obama is dumb and there is this conspiracy to hide it? LOL! You have no clue. Just like you think the election in New York the other day was no big deal. You have your own facts and rules you play by.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcj_Jsifov4

'There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently' -Robert Evans-

Updated On: 5/26/11 at 02:36 PM

#47

BREAKING NEWS: Obama is a Terrible President! DEAL WITH IT!

SOMMS, have you been to all 57 states?

If anyone ever tells you that you put too much Parmesan cheese on your pasta, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.

Updated On: 5/26/11 at 02:38 PM

#50

The Truth Hurts! Bush was a Terrible President! DEAL WITH IT Goth!

Goth,can you see Russia from your house?

Seriously, way too many to list. I suggest you go here and find one you like.

http://www.slate.com/id/76886/

When the media points out a Republican saying something dumb,they are considered bias and asking 'gotcha questions.'

When the media points out a Democrat saying something dumb,they are being honest and just doing their job.

The media pointed out Obama's flub regarding the 57 states just as they did Bush's many 'Bushisms. As usual, I have no idea what your point is.

'There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently' -Robert Evans-

Updated On: 5/26/11 at 02:47 PM

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