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#1

Prometheus

So I went to the 3D midnight screening with a friend who had only a vague concept of the film, had not seen any of the previews, and only had the vaguest idea about the Alien mythology and film saga. After the film was over we both looked at each other and said, "That was ridiculous!", in the best sense.

The 3D was actually pretty good. I was a bit skeptical given that the color tones and it being set in space, i.e. the darkness, would have made it problematic (the Harry Potter movies in 3D really did not do much for me for these reasons). But the cinematography and visual effects were really something. Very seamless. Only aesthetic misstep, and this is a bit of a reach, was the prosthetic makeup for Guy Pearce who looked both reptilian and that he stole Dustin Hoffman's mask from Little Big Man.

As for performances, I think this is just as much of Michael Fassbender's movie, as the ambiguous android David, as it is about Noomi Rapace as Dr. Shaw. Rapace is good, she is not Ripley (completely different characters), but Fassbender really makes the movie have a sense of unease and unpredictability that is more HAL 9000 than Ash in Alien. For the other performances, Idris Elba as the Captain was excellent- think of a mix of Dallas and Brett in the original who probably is the closest thing to a hero in this film. Logan Marshall-Green as Holloway is fine but not memorable. He works more when you just consider the character a cipher for Rapace's character. Charlize Theron as Meredith Vickers is probably the most wasted character if only because it is at the 11th hour that there is some back-story for why she is so bitter and cold. Her interactions with David are really the only interesting moments for the character though NOTE to Charlize fans, she does get to do some awesome things with weaponry but sadly lacking in the badassery and more fear-based.

The other auxiliary characters are fine enough but because of the size of the crew, it would have been a real job to try and give enough development that each of their ends had more emotional weight though I wish we saw more of Rafe Spall's character who seemed the most light-hearted.

The question probably most asked is how much of a prequel the film is. By the middle of the film there is definitely a clear relation to the first film (and I am wondering how other hardcore Alien fans are going to react to it) but it is explained that it is not that direct because the universe is that vast. But then you get to about the final 10 minutes and BOOM! A lot is explained with just the visuals and it is stunning.

It should also be noted that the film left it wide open for a sequel. That may cause people to groan but I was definitely left wanting more and there was a lot in this movie to take in. I am still soaking in it. I will say the third act is rushed and with characters acting way too impulsive but how it ends is reasonable imo.

It is different from Alien and Aliens as it is somewhat more into the questions of scientific origins and 'meeting your maker' but it does a good job at what it is doing. This is not a genre game-changer by any means but it is one heckuva return to the genre for Scott.

**SPOILERS**

There are some things that do feel like they are cut out. Elba's Janek suddenly rushes to Dr. Shaw explaining to her how the planet is just a military installation for the humanoids is the biggest example. For a guy who didn't initially care, his shock and sudden draw to the mission came a bit out of left field. I wonder if Vickers or somebody else told him.

The self-cesarean is definitely the most disturbing part of the whole film and given we see bones break and that self-disintegration opens the film, that says a lot. In short, it earned its R-rating.

Seriously, I would love to know people's reactions to the space jockey origins.

There are sly references with the David character on blending in better with humans to be more at ease which of course in the Alien films takes on far darker connotations with Ash.

People may complain of how clean and sleek it is compared to the blue-collar space journeys of the first Alien but I like that there are explainable bridges, corporations looking for profit and not ego-tripping, messianic complex missions, for such decay right down to Ash being a lesser model to David and the space suits.




Updated On: 6/8/12 at 01:27 PM

#2

Prometheus

Beware, there are some spoilers here.




I liked it a lot but I did not love it. I saw it in IMAX but not IMAX 3D.If Taz did not send me that break down of the film last week I would have not been able to follow it as well as I did. My problems with the film were minor. Still, I love watching these science fiction epics that remind you of films from the 60's and 70's. I had no idea that was Guy Pearce. I thought the make up was just dumb. They did not have to exaggerate the make up so much.We get,he is old. People just don't age like that. I had heard a rumor last year from AInt it Cool that Iam Holm had shot a cameo. Either that ended up not being true or it ended up on the cutting room floor. He would have been a great one to play Weyland.I liked the Captain and of course, David.I was hoping Charlize would have been a character more like Burke in ALIENS.The self-cesarean scene was very disturbing and I kept thinking it was a dream sequence. It was one of the minor problems I had with the film. I thought the scene should have been cut. Its been a long time since I have seen ALIEN and I think I am going to have to watch that tonight now.

I am a little more optimistic about Ridley Scott doing a BLADE RUNNER sequel now.

Strummergirl, have you seen this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BBa_GHtNB0


'There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently' -Robert Evans-

Updated On: 6/8/12 at 02:20 PM

#3

Prometheus

OK--Do I want to see 'Prometheus' or 'Snow White' tonight?
You think, what do you want? You think, make a decision...
#4

Prometheus

Saw it in IMAX 3D last night. Don't have time to post much now but I loved it. The 3D was definitely worth it.
***spoiler****
The self-cesarian scene was crazy intense. Had me squirming in my seat...literally.
#5

Prometheus

Seen it? I've studied it by now!

I didn't have much of a problem with **the** scene, it was effective and it was fun having people around me recoil in abject horror, though mentioning off-hand that it was impossible for her to be in that situation seemed a bit too obvious in the lead up. I do wonder though if this was the scene that was disputed by the ratings board for the R-rating.

Ian Holm's cameo would have been an Ash model or at least serving as the Ash template because otherwise, why?
#6

Prometheus

I saw it this morning and enjoyed it. I don't think it reinvents the genre or does anything particularly new or innovative but it was a good movie. It's far from being a new classic or a "great" film but I'm not mad at spending my $7 (Yeah, AMC went up from $6 before noon to $7. Bastards) on it today. I had a bit of a headache this morning and opted to see it regular ol' standard 2D which I thought was just fine. I can't imagine 3D adding much more to it to justify an additional $8 or so.

To add to what was said before, I found the David character a bit of an odd one. He was a mix of Data from Star Trek and HAL (which I thought was way too obvious in the way he chose to say some of his lines). And the only reason I knew that was Guy Pearce was that I saw his name in the opening credits and was waiting for him to show up the entire time.

As for the plot itself, it's really paper thin and basically the same thing you've seen a million times before with no real differences if you think about it. It's just been so long since there's been a new Sci-Fi movie like this I think it's easy to forget just how cookie cutter it actually is. I found it funny that Ridley Scott made such a point of saying this has nothing to do with the ALIEN films and


***SPOILER***

The last 10 seconds of the film (which I friggin' loved), saying "Eh, F*CK it. Let's just make it a prequel."


Oh yeah, and that cesarian scene was SICK in the best sense of the word. Really a squirm worthy moment like I haven't seen on film in quite a while and worth the price of admission alone just for it.
#7

Prometheus

I agree with Jordan's review. I'm curious to hear what Tazber thinks. Oh, and another quick note. I absolutely loved Marc Streitenfeld's score to the film.



'There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently' -Robert Evans-
#8

Prometheus

I saw it and I loved it.

I loved how it dealt the issue of creation from several angles.
This was much more 2001 A Space Odyssey sci-fi than Aliens sci-fi.

I'm looking forward to writing a longer version of my thoughts a bit later, but I will say this:

this felt like it was laying out the themes for further movies to build upon. At the end, other than knowing that for certain that the Engineers created us (which is in the previews by this point) it doesn't offer any clues into why.

And then it leads us to believe that they were on their way to destroy us.

So, to me, it felt like an episode of a television show where a major plot point is revealed but nothing regarding the over reaching arc is addressed.

That's not necessarily a criticism as the movie has a lot of food for thought making it worthwhile in its own right.


....but the world goes 'round
#9

Prometheus

Seriously, I would love to know people's reactions to the space jockey origins.

We never find out anything much about them other than they started life on Earth and apparently now want to destroy it.
What origins are you referring to?


Ian Holm shot a brief scene that was intended to the last shot. David and Shaw escape in the Engineer ship and the camera cuts to Ash on another ship (some reports are that it was the Nostromo) where he picks up a signal that David has sent indicating where they are heading. He smiles a crafty and sinister smile....and cut to black.

It was ultimately dropped because it fed too directly into the original Alien and I presume they wanted more breathing room to flesh out the story in subsequent films before having to jump right into Alien.

....but the world goes 'round

Updated On: 6/8/12 at 03:24 PM

#10

Prometheus

Yeah, it was a bit too general to say origins. I just thought for the longest time the Giger designs were their exoskeleton and not their suits.
#11

Prometheus

Yeah but there were references to ALIEN throughout the entire film, from start to finish.
#12

Prometheus

I think that they probably were actually. I kinda feel like they changed it because they wanted more humanoid beings so the DNA match would make sense.

I was actually a little bummed when the first poster appeared with the giant Engineer head. Those elephantine designs were very cool for a foreign being.

I also thought for sure that when the Engineer got in his seat to lift off he was going to be the one in the original Alien.
Well, that obviously was a wrong guess.
....but the world goes 'round
#13

Prometheus

There were references to the Alien universe, but I didn't pick up on any specific references to the original (which hadn't occurred yet).


....but the world goes 'round
#14

Prometheus

I should have explained that more, sorry.

Besides there being overtly obvious references to ALIEN (and even references to the Alien "universe" are still references to the franchise) in quite a few ways this almost seemed like it wanted to be "remake-esque of it. Again, I enjoyed the film but I guess I was a little disappointed since I had really thought this was going to do for Sci-Fi was SCREAM did for Horror.

I just pulled out my ANTHOLOGY box and am going to start from the beginning.

Updated On: 6/8/12 at 03:47 PM

#15

Prometheus

Oh I see. I agree, the first hour of this film is almost beat for beat the same as Alien (except purpose of the mission is different).

But it felt very much like Alien:

Crew wakes up
Lands on planet
Finds giant derelict structure
Someone gets infected

But the second half felt totally fresh to me.

....but the world goes 'round
#16

Prometheus

Yeah the second half it really picked up and got much better but I still felt it followed the "cookie cutter" mold too closely. It's the same problem with horror films and I have a hard time faulting a lot of them for it since it kind of "needs" to be that way. It's the same thing with romantic comedies. They meet, don't like each other, discover they have a dying grandma in common, become friends, fall in love, one of them messes up and had to make a big romantic gesture, they kiss, the end. That's what a rom com is. An in the same respect, PROMETHEUS is what an alien-mission space movie is.

It's just so hard to do something truly new with these genres that have been done to death, you know?
#17

Prometheus

Oh and I want one of those wall-to-wall screens David watches his movies on, more than anything else on the world.
#18

Prometheus

I'm not going to disagree with you one bit. There were definitely some plot based contrivances shoehorned in to keep the action moving.

And there was an almost total lack of characterization. They weren't characters so much as ideas. The believer, the non believer, the neutral one who acts as a foil to our conceptions of creation, etc.

I did love all the layers that those ideas offered though. The main theme of the nature of the relationship between us and whoever created us. But there is also the relationship between us and the "beings" we create. The way these two play off each other and highlight all our own hypocrisy and fallibility is a chewy discussion.

Do the Engineers "feel"? Or did our emotions develop organically once the Earth was seeded? Are we truly "in their image"?

And they even touch on the reproductive creation of life amongst humans. Shaw, the believer, is infertile. And yest she ends up being pregnant with what will become the first face-hugger.

So in a sense, she is the first creator of the xenomorph creatures.

There's a lot more that was going on in there too. It's ultimately more of a cerebral exercise than an emotional character driven story.


At least, to me.
....but the world goes 'round
#19

Prometheus

I don't know if the engineers feel or not but I'd sure like to feel one of them.
#20

Prometheus


Noomi on Letterman
"The gods who nurse this universe think little of mortals' cares. They sit in crowds on exclusive clouds and laugh at our love affairs. I might have had a real romance if they'd given me a chance. I loved him, but he didn't love me. I wanted him, but he didn't want me. Then the gods had a spree and indulged in another whim. Now he loves me, but I don't love him." - Cole Porter
#21

Prometheus

Going tonight to see it and I am stoked...loved Alien...and I know many people are being picky about every detail on other boards...so I have ignored them but I enjoyed reading your reviews and skipped over the spoiler warnings

Did any of you see the the post credit scene? One of my friends said At the end of the credits the Weyland logo comes up and mentions 10/11/12 and to visit www.weylandindustries.com/timeline.
"Never be bullied into silence. Never allow yourself to be made a victim. Accept no one's definition of your life. Define yourself"
#22

Prometheus

I did love seeing Patrick Wilson, though. That was a surprise!
#23

Prometheus

That was a cute cameo surprise.

So now that we've had a short time to think about the movie, who else has come with a million plot holes?

For example:
We never know exactly what killed the Engineers. The dna ooze mutates into something relatively similar to its host, and in this film it goes from worm to man to Engineer to dog/exnomorph.

All we ever see is the hologram of the Engineers running from something, but we never see it.

In the temple there were murals of creatures with the elongated alien head, so I assumed they had done tests on other living things.

Just a curious thought is all.

There are a lot of other holes like this that I can think of, but this one seemed to be the most oddly overlooked aspect of the story.
....but the world goes 'round
#24

Prometheus

I'm curious if there is either a director's cut or deleted scenes that may piece some things together. For example, since we don't see Guy Pearce as a young man in the movie why didn't they just get an older actor in his 80's or 90's to play the part? Will there be deleted scenes or flashbacks of Guy Pearce as a young man? Why were they trying to destroy us? I have a lot of other questions that may be answered if I see it again, but I felt like there was more of the film shot and ended up on the cutting room floor.

I just watched ALIEN tonight. I have not seen it in years and I highly recommend watching that after you see PROMETHEUS.
'There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently' -Robert Evans-
#25

Prometheus

Taz, those are all questions I had right after it finished as well. I don't know if it will be explained in the sequel PROMETHEUSES, or if it was just bad writing. But speaking of bad writing, Charlize's line " Yes, FATHER" (or whatever it was) was embarasingly awkward and bad.

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