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#51

Prometheus

Yeah, the goo he drank was pretty similar to the goo later in the movie, so my family figured it is breaking his body down to jumpstart the evolutionary process on Earth and create humans.
#52

Prometheus

But when the goo is ingested by humans it creates the Alien Queen? I guess I'm confused as to the purpose of this goo.
#53

Prometheus

I think the goo is basically evolutionary goo. It makes things -- evolve. And apparently it makes them all evolve in ENTIRELY DIFFERENT WAYS because I guess that's just how science works or something.

But let's be clear about where the proto-xenomorph comes from at the end: Holloway ingests the goo and has sex with Shaw. For some reason, they make a proto-facehugger baby. Then the facehugger implants the proto-xenomorph in the space jockey at the end. So I guess you can say ingested goo can make your sperm full of proto-facehuggers, because that...makes...sense...

I don't know. That is the process, and I'm pretty confident the goo is evolutionary goo, but the movie really doesn't have internal consistency.
#54

Prometheus


But just to be clear when adult face hugger (who becomes an adult in...30 minutes, I guess) has "sex" with humanoids, then Queen Aliens are born? But when "sperm" of face huggers is put into "regular" humans then it's just regular face huggers that are born?


I'm sad that the more I think about the movie and discuss it the less I like it.
#55

Prometheus

Right? I liked the movie more before my family and I started to pick it apart.

The proto-facehugger didn't have sex with the space jockey at the end, he just -- implanted the proto-xenomorph. IMO. Classic Alien style.

The stuff that got put into Holloway isn't from the uber-worm or proto-facehugger. He just had the goo put into his body. I mean -- maybe the difference seems flimsy, but it seems a fairly important distinction to me.

It's clear that there is no sort of consistency in regards to how the goo affects people. That seems clear. The previous logic of Alien was pretty simple: a queen xenomorph laid eggs of facehuggers. The facehuggers would implant xenomorphs into human hosts, which would then burst free when they were grown enough. Those non-queen xenomorphs would basically serve the queen by gathering hosts for implantation while the queen laid facehugger eggs. And I think the xenomorphs had some ability to develop into a queen if there was only one around and the cycle needed a jumpstart.

In Prometheus, the logic seems to be -- the goo will do whatever it wants. In Holloway, it gave him weird proto-xenomorph sperm? I guess? So that he could make Shaw into a sort of alien queen to birth a proto-facehugger? I GUESS? So that the proto-facehugger could implant in a space jockey and make a proto-xenomorph? THIS MOVIE MAKES NO SENSE.
#56

Prometheus

Interestingly enough, while it brought in $50 million this week, it was not the week's number one film. Madagascar 3, which made close to $60 million, took that honor.
#57

Prometheus

Interesting.

A New Video Proves the Prometheus Viral is Still Going

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=91366
'There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently' -Robert Evans-
#58

Prometheus

I liked it alot, didn't love it. I think because of all the hype, it deminished my reactions to the film. But I have one Major Plot hole to discuss. It really bothered me, maybe some of you guys have give me input on this:
***SPOILER**SPOILER****
In ALIEN, when the Dallas and the crew first come upon the SPACE JOCKEY in the chair, he notes that his chest seemed to have exploded from the inside.
Jump to the conclusion of this film, we see the ONLY survivor Space Jockey get implanted and then give "birth' to the first ALIEN. He was not on HIS SHIP in the chair when this took place.
So how could he be the SPACE JOCKEY in the original Film that Dallas and the crew found.
It would have been have followed the continuity fo the first film, had the Space Jockey go back to his ship and sit in the chair and then implode.
This left me scratching my head. Very confused.

#59

Prometheus

That was a different jockey, surfer.

In fact, it wasn't even the same planet on which The Nostromo finds the jockey with the exploded chest in Alien.

I thought for a sec in Prometheus when he got in the chair to take off that it was going to be THE space jockey from the original.

But then I remembered it was a different planet. We haven't seen exactly how the original jockey ends up in that chair.

Maybe the sequel will connect it.

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Here's another link about the Easter Egg after the end credits:

Link
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Updated On: 6/11/12 at 09:11 AM

#60

Prometheus

Tazbar: Did I miss something? How did you know it wasn't the same planet? Did they mention this? Anyway, thanks for the clarification, this explains why the continuity was OFF in my head.
Hopefully a Director's cut on DVD will provide some answers as well as a sequel.
#61

Prometheus

No, they didn't mention it outright. As a fan of the series I happen to know that Alien took place on LV-426 and Prometheus took place on LV-223. Ridley also mentioned it somewhere along the way in an interview I saw.

Below is a link to a pretty good article that may clear up some plot hole questions, including the planetary issue:
Link
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#62

Prometheus

Tazbar, thanks alot for the clarification. That part makes sense now.
#63

Prometheus

Here's an interesting take that someone put together after watching the film and interviews with Ridley Scott. I did find it interesting they mentioned the engineers died 2000 years ago...
Jesus was an engineer!
#65

Prometheus

Lol, I was just going to post this!

Well I’m curious about the deleted scenes. Specifically in this film, Noomi [Rapace] mentioned maybe there was a fight scene with her and an Engineer.

SCOTT: The Engineer fight scene was pretty good. It will definitely go on the menu. It won’t go on the long version. The problem about it is, while she gives as good as she gets with an axe (she’s very physical), he’s so big, for him to be clouted with a conventional weapon somehow diminished him. It’s subtle. It’s drama. I didn’t want to diminish him by having this person who has a weapon to be able to back him off. It minimized him. That’s why when he deals with people inside his cockpit, it’s over. Wham, wham, wham. Even the shot doesn’t mean anything. And so all she has time for is introducing him to the big boy inside the lab.

You’re going to do an extended cut on the Blu-ray/DVD. Is it a lot longer?

SCOTT: Twenty minutes.

Link
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#66

Prometheus

I hate that, I really do. Directors who put the version of the film they "Really wanted" on disc instead of in the theater is so mind numbingly stupid to me.
#67

Prometheus

Some really interesting comments by Lindleoff and Scott about the sequel:

Here's what Lindelof told TIME, when asked where the two characters at the end of the movie will head to next:

"I think they’re going where she wants to go. His fundamental programming has been scrapped. Weyland [the man who built and programmed him] is dead and so now his programming is coming from God knows where. Is he being programmed by Elizabeth, or is it his own internal curiosity now that Weyland isn’t telling him what to do any more? He’s always been interested in Elizabeth, remember that: He’s watching her dreams when she’s sleeping in much the same way that he watches Lawrence of Arabia. He’s a strange robot that has a curious crush on a human being, and when Weyland is eliminated, I think he is genuinely interested in what she’s interested in. He reaches out partly for survival, but partly out of curiosity, and I think he’s sincere that he’ll take her wherever she wants to go."

Ridley Scott seems very eager to explore their next destination. While speaking with The Hollywood Reporter, he makes it clear that a sequel has been planned from day one:

"From the very beginning, I was working from a premise that lent itself to a sequel. I really don't want to meet God in the first one. I want to leave it open to [Dr. Elizabeth Shaw (Noomi Rapace)] saying, 'I don't want to go back to where I came from. I want to go where they came from.'"

"Because [the Engineers] are such aggressive f*ckers, I always had it in there that the God-like creature that you will see actually is not so nice, and is certainly not God. I'd love to explore where the [Dr. Shaw] goes next and what does she do when she gets there, because if it is paradise, paradise can not be what you think it is. Paradise has a connotation of being extremely sinister and ominous."

Lindelof had this to add in regards to a possible sequel:

"[Prometheus] has two children: One of these children grows up to be 'Alien,' but the other child is going to grow up, and God knows what happens to them. And that's what the sequel to 'Prometheus' would be."

Summing up, I'd be surprised if we wouldn't be getting a PROMETHEUS sequel somewhere down the line.

Link
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#68

Prometheus

And just because I'm such a geek, here are two interesting bits that didn't make into the final product:

Alternate opening where we see the Engineer get the goo from an elder in a sort of ritual (after which he presumably goes to Earth and creates life)

Prometheus

And a possible final shot of the xenomorph running towards something (perhaps the ship Shaw and David were on?)

Prometheus

These were taken from the companion book The Art of Prometheus btw.
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#69

Prometheus

Watch Only If You've Seen Prometheus

This clip asks unanswered questions. Lots of them

Red Letter Media talks about Prometheus - SPOILERS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x1YuvUQFJ0

http://www.joemygod.blogspot.com/2012/06/watch-only-if-youve-seen-prometheus.html
'There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently' -Robert Evans-
#71

Prometheus

Very cool!!


That must be from the alternate opening art I posted above. I wonder why they cut that, it couldn't have been more than a minute.
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#72

Prometheus

Great pics. One of the other things I liked about the movie was they actually built these gigantic sets and didn't rely completely on CGI. You get a sense of the scale of them in some of those photos.

Updated On: 6/15/12 at 01:20 PM

#73

Prometheus

Totally. You can really tell it was "real" as opposed to greenscreen.

One of the biggest criticisms I've been hearing is the number of stupid things the characters did that are so ridiculous they qualify as plot holes.

My favorite: How does the cartographer get lost but the other group get out immediately?


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#74

Prometheus

Yup...and the biologist reaching out to touch an unknown alien life form etc. But for some reason none of that effected my enjoyment of the movie overall.
#75

Prometheus

I hear they may be releasing a director's cut of THE AVENGERS at the end of summer before it comes out on DVD. If so, Fox and Ridley Scott should SERIOUSLY consider doing the same for PROMETHEUS. I really enjoyed PROMETHEUS but feel a director's cut is what it needs. I just ordered from Amazon the Art of PROMETHEUS.Can't wait to get it.

http://www.geeksofdoom.com/2012/06/13/3-hour-directors-cut-of-the-avengers-could-get-a-theatrical-release-this-summer/
'There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently' -Robert Evans-

Updated On: 6/15/12 at 02:59 PM

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