Prop 8 - will all the gay marriages be null and void now?
Prop 8 - will all the gay marriages be null and void now?
#1Prop 8 - will all the gay marriages be null and void now?
Posted: 11/5/08 at 11:15amWill all the same sex marriages in California be null and void now, since Prop 8 passed - keeping "marriage" only between and man and woman?
mejusthavingfun
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/12/06
#2re: Prop 8 - will all the gay marriages be null and void now?
Posted: 11/5/08 at 11:21am
I assume any same-sex union/marriage in ANY state can be negated at ANY TIME because it is not federally protected.
It's awful and these damn ballot initiatives keep us suppressed.
Phyllis Rogers Stone
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/16/07
#2re: Prop 8 - will all the gay marriages be null and void now?
Posted: 11/5/08 at 11:25amOutlaw civil marriage. Leave marriage to the church. Make civil unions availble to two persons, regardless of gender. Problem solved.
LePetiteFromage
Broadway Legend Joined: 1/19/08
#4re: Prop 8 - will all the gay marriages be null and void now?
Posted: 11/5/08 at 12:07pmSF city attorney Dennis Herrera just announced that as soon as Prop 8 is approved, he will file a case with the CA Supreme Court challenging the validity of the constitutional amendment.
TheatreDiva90016
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/10/04
#5re: Prop 8 - will all the gay marriages be null and void now?
Posted: 11/5/08 at 12:20pmThey will be on hold until this goes to the Supreme Court and it gets turned down again.
mejusthavingfun
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/12/06
#6re: Prop 8 - will all the gay marriages be null and void now?
Posted: 11/5/08 at 12:23pmTalk about regression amending a constitution to remove the rights of people.
#7re: Prop 8 - will all the gay marriages be null and void now?
Posted: 11/5/08 at 12:30pmIt's very trendy. Like Uggs.
EVIE
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/12/04
#8re: Prop 8 - will all the gay marriages be null and void now?
Posted: 11/5/08 at 12:30pmThis sickens me. On one of the voter breakdowns last night, they said that the majority of African American and Hispanic voters voted in favor of it b/c they are "highly" religious. It's ridiculous that's what!
TheatreDiva90016
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/10/04
#9re: Prop 8 - will all the gay marriages be null and void now?
Posted: 11/5/08 at 12:33pm
Which is why it's now time to tax churches.
If they can sit there and preach hate and get away with it, why aren't they paying taxes?
LePetiteFromage
Broadway Legend Joined: 1/19/08
EVIE
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/12/04
#11re: Prop 8 - will all the gay marriages be null and void now?
Posted: 11/5/08 at 12:40pmI agree, charge the bigots hiding behind a pulpit or the altar or whatever else the preach their crazy and hateful notions from.
#12re: Prop 8 - will all the gay marriages be null and void now?
Posted: 11/5/08 at 12:43pm
Agreed
If we are not going to separate church and state, there is no reason that churches should not be taxed.
#13re: Prop 8 - will all the gay marriages be null and void now?
Posted: 11/5/08 at 12:55pm
I don't see why there should be a need to leave 'marriage' to religion From all the sources I can find 'marriage' predates Christianity.
'Marriage dates back several thousand years, emerging as a civil arrangement at the same time as the emergence of private property. Far from fulfilling any religious purpose to unite one man and one woman, anthropologists theorize that most primitive marriages were polygamous. Marriages were entered into in order to expand the land or material goods base of a clan, either through the receipt of a dowry or the merger of two clans' assets. Religious guidelines around marriage are not thought to have developed until the practice was several hundred years old, and were first used as a means of preventing different religious groups from losing wealthy followers by restricting them from marrying into other religions.
In Western Europe, it was not until the Middle Ages that marriage in churches began to occur. However, church marriages were not the norm until the 17th century, and then only for the nobility. Marriage was also used as a tool to unite different royal families' bloodlines, creating alliances that were instrumental in enabling the European monarchies to colonize the globe.'
If religions wants to create a new institution exclusively based on the notion of one man and one woman joined under the eyes of god - let them find a word for it and leave 'marriage' as an civil institute for all consenting adults.
#14re: Prop 8 - will all the gay marriages be null and void now?
Posted: 11/5/08 at 1:03pm
The California Attorney General expressed his view that previous marriages remain valid.
The Yes on Prop 8 Brigade are probably going to challenge those marriages in court.
#15re: Prop 8 - will all the gay marriages be null and void now?
Posted: 11/5/08 at 1:10pm
And if those marriages stay, Prop 8 will ultimately fail as you can't let some gay people be married and outlaw the rest.
This is just the beginning.
StockardFan
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/19/08
#16re: Prop 8 - will all the gay marriages be null and void now?
Posted: 11/5/08 at 1:13pmI just don't understand why people are so hateful. I mean WTF.
TheatreDiva90016
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/10/04
#17re: Prop 8 - will all the gay marriages be null and void now?
Posted: 11/5/08 at 1:15pm
Which is why I ran around all day yesterday, paid out the nose, and got married.
Now I will show up at every one of 'their' meetings or protests and shove it in their face.
I'M LEGALLY MARRIED AND THERE'S NOT A THING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT!
DOES IT AFFECT YOUR FAMILY IN ANY WAY?! NO? THEN STFU!
#18re: Prop 8 - will all the gay marriages be null and void now?
Posted: 11/5/08 at 1:18pmYeah, I didn't understand what they would do there for the people who have already been able to get married. This is just one thing I feel they messed up on. If I did live in one of the states with this on the ballot, I definitely would have voted no.
StockardFan
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/19/08
#19re: Prop 8 - will all the gay marriages be null and void now?
Posted: 11/5/08 at 1:18pm
That's exactly what I think. I mean, it doesn't have anything to do with them personally......why do they give a crap? If 2 people want to be married, they should be able to be.
(congrats diva, btw on getting married yesterday)
Jilani
Broadway Star Joined: 6/30/05
#20re: Prop 8 - will all the gay marriages be null and void now?
Posted: 11/5/08 at 1:20pmIs anyone else having a hard time with the fact that African Americans in California voted to strip a disfavored minority of their civil rights by a margin of 70% to 30%? So even as they were almost all casting their ballots for the first African American president, the vast majority of those same people were simultaneously dealing a huge setback to another civil rights movement? I am aware that the two movements are not perfectly analogous, but I can't help being utterly disgusted at seeing that result.
StockardFan
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/19/08
#21re: Prop 8 - will all the gay marriages be null and void now?
Posted: 11/5/08 at 1:22pmcheck out the other Prop 8 thread, Jilani......
LePetiteFromage
Broadway Legend Joined: 1/19/08
StockardFan
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/19/08
#23re: Prop 8 - will all the gay marriages be null and void now?
Posted: 11/5/08 at 1:26pm
Yeah, I guess so. I just don't see it as a religious issue personally so it's hard for me to get it from that perspective.
I just don't know how you can change minds that are that narrow.
Wildcard
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/21/06
#24re: Prop 8 - will all the gay marriages be null and void now?
Posted: 11/5/08 at 1:26pmI don't get why religious people who have been taught to love one another and to treat others as you would want to be treated are the ones who are most hateful. I grew up catholic and knew that when Jesus welcomed those that society considered outcasts, he was showing acceptance and tolerance. Now, how different are these "Christians" to those who persecuted Christ himself because of his differing beliefs?
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