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SCOTUS to hear Prop 8, DOMA

SCOTUS to hear Prop 8, DOMA

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madbrian
#1SCOTUS to hear Prop 8, DOMA
Posted: 1/7/13 at 1:51pm





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"It does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are 20 gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg." -- Thomas Jefferson
Updated On: 3/26/13 at 01:51 PM

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madbrian
#2SCOTUS to hear Prop 8, DOMA
Posted: 3/26/13 at 7:08am

SCOTUS will hear arguments on the Prop 8 case around 10:15AM eastern time.


"It does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are 20 gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg." -- Thomas Jefferson

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Jordan Catalano
#2SCOTUS to hear Prop 8, DOMA
Posted: 3/26/13 at 7:18am

There won't be any cameras inside the court, will there?

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ErikJ972
#3SCOTUS to hear Prop 8, DOMA
Posted: 3/26/13 at 7:35am

I wonder what kind of horribly offensive question Scalia will ask today.

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madbrian
#4SCOTUS to hear Prop 8, DOMA
Posted: 3/26/13 at 7:37am

No cameras, but I think there is (sometimes?) audio.


"It does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are 20 gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg." -- Thomas Jefferson

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PalJoey
#5SCOTUS to hear Prop 8, DOMA
Posted: 3/26/13 at 8:14am

Thanks to everyone who "evolved."

If the only people on our side were the people who were on our side 10 or 20 years ago, we wouldn't be where we are today.

The remarkable thing about the human heart is that it can be moved.


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tazber
#6SCOTUS to hear Prop 8, DOMA
Posted: 3/26/13 at 8:29am

I'm very nervous about this. I have no idea how this is going to go, and all the legal pundits have made me even more confused as to what they think The Court will do.

But to echo PJ, no matter what happens it's truly amazing to stop and realize where we are today. Almost 60% of Americans are for it and the "Porter Effect" is sweeping the GOP.

Yes, people's hearts can be moved.






....but the world goes 'round
Updated On: 3/26/13 at 08:29 AM

brdlwyr
#7SCOTUS to hear Prop 8, DOMA
Posted: 3/26/13 at 9:19am

Taz, I also have no idea! I also asked the question today about Scalia.

I reviewed Lawrence v. Texas last night and personally do not see how the 14th Amendment does not demand marriage equality. I was struck as to why Justice Kennedy specifically stated:

It does not involve whether the government must give formal recognition to any relationship that homosexual persons seek to enter.

I would strike DOMA and Prop 8 under the Equal Protection Clause.

These matters, involving the most intimate and personal choices a person may make in a lifetime, choices central to personal dignity and autonomy, are central to the liberty protected by the Fourteenth Amendment. At the heart of liberty is the right to define one’s own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life.

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PalJoey
#8SCOTUS to hear Prop 8, DOMA
Posted: 3/26/13 at 9:44am

I was struck as to why Justice Kennedy specifically stated: "It does not involve whether the government must give formal recognition to any relationship that homosexual persons seek to enter."

Perhaps because he has a longstanding and deep-seated animus against gay people, initially fed by the misapplied precepts of the Catholic Church, and seeded and watered by decades of practiced bigotry.


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Jordan Catalano
#9SCOTUS to hear Prop 8, DOMA
Posted: 3/26/13 at 9:48am

I think so much of it is going to come down to how certain people on the bench will want to be remembered by history. I think it's going to be as simple as that.

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ErikJ972
#10SCOTUS to hear Prop 8, DOMA
Posted: 3/26/13 at 9:57am

I agree Jordan. And I think the big surprise is going to come from Roberts.

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Jordan Catalano
#11SCOTUS to hear Prop 8, DOMA
Posted: 3/26/13 at 9:57am

I completely agree, Erik. They might not believe in it but they sure as hell don't want to be the bigots in the history books.

Updated On: 3/26/13 at 09:57 AM

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ErikJ972
#12SCOTUS to hear Prop 8, DOMA
Posted: 3/26/13 at 10:00am

Except for Scalia. He's a proud bigot.

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Jordan Catalano
#13SCOTUS to hear Prop 8, DOMA
Posted: 3/26/13 at 10:01am

I don't think anyone expects anything out of him. For anything. Ever.

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Jordan Catalano
#14SCOTUS to hear Prop 8, DOMA
Posted: 3/26/13 at 11:34am

Early reports don't sound too good.

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ErikJ972
#15SCOTUS to hear Prop 8, DOMA
Posted: 3/26/13 at 11:36am

I haven't read any of the reports yet. But early reports didn't sound good for Obamacare either.

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Jordan Catalano
#16SCOTUS to hear Prop 8, DOMA
Posted: 3/26/13 at 11:37am

True. This will be interesting to watch, for sure.

Do we know when they'll announce a ruling?

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ErikJ972
#17SCOTUS to hear Prop 8, DOMA
Posted: 3/26/13 at 11:39am

I've heard not until June.
This report doesn't sound so bad.

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Jordan Catalano
#18SCOTUS to hear Prop 8, DOMA
Posted: 3/26/13 at 11:40am

June would be appropriate.

brdlwyr
#19SCOTUS to hear Prop 8, DOMA
Posted: 3/26/13 at 11:43am

Roberts support may not be surprising. This could be his legacy and I doubt he wants to be on the wrong side of history.

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ErikJ972
#20SCOTUS to hear Prop 8, DOMA
Posted: 3/26/13 at 11:55am

Thought this was an incredible story that left me feeling hopeful.
Justice Sotomayer's Quiet Nod to Gay Americans

Phyllis Rogers Stone
#21SCOTUS to hear Prop 8, DOMA
Posted: 3/26/13 at 2:55pm

I've read about 20 pages of the oral arguments so far and what's fascinating is that at this point no argument has been made other than the "traditional marriage is tradition" and "marriage is for procreation" arguments.

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Jordan Catalano
#22SCOTUS to hear Prop 8, DOMA
Posted: 3/26/13 at 3:41pm

SCOTUS to hear Prop 8, DOMA

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TheatreDiva90016
#23SCOTUS to hear Prop 8, DOMA
Posted: 3/26/13 at 3:45pm

SCOTUS to hear Prop 8, DOMA


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Phyllis Rogers Stone
#24SCOTUS to hear Prop 8, DOMA
Posted: 3/26/13 at 3:55pm

SCOTUS to hear Prop 8, DOMA


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