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#26

Smash - a West Wing / 30 Rock / Mad Men about the Broadway theater world

. (And we all know how well it worked with "Pan Am.")

I thought Pan Am premiered to good ratings and it was the quality (or rather, lack of quality) of the scripts that has people tuning out.

There was a good article in the latest EW about the show, and I'd really advise the hand-wringers to seek it out and read it. It might help to quell some of the increasingly hysterical worrying.

I know a lot of people keep saying "WHO is this supposed to be for?" which, to me, is a much stranger question to ask about this show than Glee, which quickly and easily found an audience. Will the same audience embrace this? Maybe, maybe not, but some people are acting like this show is sooooooo impenetrable to the non-theatre insider and it's not. It's just not.

Also, at this point, anyone who is even slightly computer-savvy (or really, can just read and follow directions) should have some kind of ad-blocker installed. Anytime I've stumbled onto the programming nightmare that is BWW without one my computer always becomes possessed. Ad-blocking makes this site (and indeed, the rest of the web) a much more pleasing browsing experience.



Updated On: 1/26/12 at 03:32 PM

#27

Smash - a West Wing / 30 Rock / Mad Men about the Broadway theater world

"And I'm tired of the people who act like not being gung-ho for this show is the same as not supporting theatre."

And I'm tired of the theatre people who REFUSE to like the show for {cite reason here that isn't related to the show's actual quality}.
"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."
#28

Smash - a West Wing / 30 Rock / Mad Men about the Broadway theater world

Well, I've seen the pilot. And it didn't really do anything for me. Didn't love it, didn't hate it. Didn't leave me wanting more. And that opinion is based on the show's actual quality. There are some of us who aren't crazy about the show because of its merits, not for any extrinsic reasons.
"You travel alone because other people are only there to remind you how much that hook hurts that we all bit down on. Wait for that one day we can bite free and get back out there in space where we belong, sail back over water, over skies, into space, the hook finally out of our mouths and we wander back out there in space spawning to other planets never to return hurrah to earth and we'll look back and can't even see these lives here anymore. Only the taste of blood to remind us we ever existed. The earth is small. We're gone. We're dead. We're safe." -John Guare, Landscape of the Body
#29

Smash - a West Wing / 30 Rock / Mad Men about the Broadway theater world

Okay, first of all, Phyllis, nobody is handwringing in this thread. Nobody. Maybe you're projecting and you need to chill. Seriously, reread the posts. I have no idea where you got that from.

Second of all, the ad blocker is fine, but what makes you think we're talking about web ads, either exclusively or at all?

Thirdly, Pan Am took a nosedive after week #1. And it's debut wasn't the best, although not bad, and didn't justify the gazillion ads they threw at us like it was the Super Bowl.

If you can't stand a "discouraging word" about the show, then don't read it. But it's not overreacting, just because it doesn't suit you and your own opinion.
"Jaws is the Citizen Kane of movies."
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#34

Smash - a West Wing / 30 Rock / Mad Men about the Broadway theater world

There's no hand-wringing in this thread?? Then this would be the first one.

My thoughts are just like Taz's: Meh. I understand how hard it is to set up a 13 (?) week story arc but saw nothing in the premiere to make me say "Ah yes! This is it!" My biggest concern is that this first episode is available to so many people in so many places and formats that I can't imagine there are a whole lot of people left who WANT to see it that HAVEN'T already.

And just cause I have to be bitchy, my BF and I both laughed out loud when Grace meets the new assistant and remarks on his heterosexuality. That was a joke, right?
#35

Smash - a West Wing / 30 Rock / Mad Men about the Broadway theater world

I'm feeling the same way as AC126748.

I'll watch it because it's about live theater and because I like Shaiman/Whitman (although I wasn't blown away by the 2 songs in the premiere), but if it was cancelled tomorrow I wouldn't miss it.

I guess I just didn't find any of the characters or their stories very engaging. Of course as it goes on and gets more soapy I'm certain I'll get hooked.
....but the world goes 'round
#38

Smash - a West Wing / 30 Rock / Mad Men about the Broadway theater world

Oh, besty, I'm well aware what many people think of me, but that doesn't mean people perceive you and me the same.

Fine. I'll treat this single "Smash" thread as a vaccuum and will not hold in my mind any other of the batsh*t postings on this board about the show.

Speaking of batsh*t and not reading the posts, I believe you moved the goal posts with your "Pan An" comment. It's like you're trying to refute me by implying that you were saying something different than what I replied to. Did Pan Am not premiere to good ratings and decline?







Updated On: 1/26/12 at 04:03 PM

#39

Smash - a West Wing / 30 Rock / Mad Men about the Broadway theater world

Good ratings? Yes, it did. My point was that they weren't THAT good and didn't justify the onslaught of ads and PR hitting us over the head. If that's the new goal for batsh*t, you don't get out much. But Smash is even worse with their barrage, probably because they've had a longer window of opportunity. There, was that CRAZY for me to say that? Did I set the bar again?

(You have no idea how you come off sometimes.)

As for other Smash threads, maybe I've missed them. I didn't realize you were commenting on a sum total of all related threads on the subject, which I in no way claim to have read. It sure didn't sound like it. It sounded more like you just jumped in to criticize other people's opinions and move on. Per usual.


"Jaws is the Citizen Kane of movies."
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Updated On: 1/26/12 at 04:09 PM

#40

Smash - a West Wing / 30 Rock / Mad Men about the Broadway theater world

You have no idea how you come off sometimes.

I generally assume people think I'm trying to be a dick, even when I'm not.

Frankly, I think because I was quoting you at the start of my post, you took it as indictment of "everything" "you've" "said" in this thread, which it wasn't.
#41

Smash - a West Wing / 30 Rock / Mad Men about the Broadway theater world

Let the handwringing stop, then.

You misread, I misread. There. Fair enough?

And In all seriousness, do you think this show will find an audience? Do straight guys really still get a jolt out of Marilyn Monroe, or is that just what gay guys think straight guys like?

(Not a joke, but a genuine question.)
"Jaws is the Citizen Kane of movies."
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#42

Smash - a West Wing / 30 Rock / Mad Men about the Broadway theater world

Fair enough. Truly, even though I'm ribbing you, I'm not trying to be that much of an a-hole.

To answer your question in all seriousness, I truly don't know, but that's because I simply have no idea how to gauge what the general populous is going to like and dislike. More times than not (and not simply to be a contrarian, despite what anyone thinks, as though I craft all my views on things just to rankle other people) my views on things don't jibe with the majority, so it's hard to say. But like I said above, I don't think the show is impenetrable to the non-theater audience.

I went in to the pilot expecting to hate it, so I was as surprised as anyone as to how much I liked it. Perhaps that should have tipped me off that the show might be doomed.  Smash -  a West Wing / 30 Rock / Mad Men about the Broadway theater world



Updated On: 1/26/12 at 04:30 PM

#47

Smash - a West Wing / 30 Rock / Mad Men about the Broadway theater world

Girls, you're both pretty!

And, in my opinion, both right.

My biggest issue about the ads and marketing is the total lack of creativity. I think the premise is unique, but the marketing has been the same generic blitzkrieg we've seen countless times and it dilutes the intrigue. A more cohesive and less revealing ad campaign would have been far more effective if they want to flood the public with marketing.
"What can you expect from a bunch of seitan worshippers?" - Reginald Tresilian

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