Shooting At FRC Headquarters — Page 2

I love that when the shoe is on the other foot, the Right just does what they decry the Left for doing, without a sense of irony whatsoever.

Unless it turns out empirically that this was some kind of right wing conspiracy (which it wasn't), this is just nothing but gold for the Right.

I guess from this NY Times liked that is linked on the page.
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well. when you basically lie to a whole segment of the population by telling them there is a supernatural authority to which there can be no appeal that hates them (but also loves them), while using this lie to create secular laws that destroy families and finances, you should expect that some such people will be driven to depression, confusion, anxiety, self-loathing, and occasionally suicidal psychosis. i mean, after a few 100 years of such lying, the really remarkable thing is that this would be the first episode of homicidal psychosis. you would have guessed the breaking point would have been much, much sooner.

of course. but it should also serve as a wake up call to the left. even with this chik-fil-a business, liberals and younger members of the LGBT community still speak as if it is merely two sides sharing different opinions.

it is not, nor has it been for a long time. richard dawkins put it best. i don't give a **** about people's opinions when it comes to fact. people can believe 1 + 1 = 3 in their home if they want, but they can't use that to make laws. and the FACT is, homosexuality (and indeed, everything in between it and hetersexuality) is NATURAL. there is no debate. malkin and the rest have ZERO EVIDENCE to support their views. think about how many lives have been destroyed by these "opinions" and for how long... based on ZERO EVIDENCE.

any and all attempts to "change" homosexuality simply ends up irrevocably damaging and warping the psyche of the individual involved, as this case, one suspects, may end up being. and with right wing gun laws (which is to say, very few), sooner or later deadly weapons will end up in the hands of such damaged individuals. i know EVERYONE on this board probably knows someone who committed suicide because of confusion regarding their sexuality--and as anyone who has studied psychiatry knows, homicidal and suicidal ideation often do go hand in hand. we have to WAKE THE F*CK UP and realize that we have the enough information now (indeed, have had it for years) to help stop this kind of damage. it is not acceptable, under any circumstances, for society to LIE to people about what they are.

Updated On: 8/15/12 at 09:19 PM

but that's the way (the only way i see) i would approach it. you can't keep driving people insane, ruining lives, and expect nothing to happen forever.

I remember a particularly rousing article by Sarah Schulman in the late-'80s in which she said after all those years of the AIDS epidemic, here hadn't been a single political assassination. Some people are crazy. Some people are driven crazy. Crazy things happen when people are crazy.

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Sigh. I hate to disagree with everything you've just written, but alas, I must. I think the waiting patiently thing is a fallacy. I think waiting patiently is what allowed 30+ states to discriminate against a group of people who already didn't have the rights that were being taken away from them in these constitutional amendments.

And I think Chick Fil A day is evidence that people DO pay attention to what extends beyond their own immediate lives, at least when it comes to fukcing with gay people.

Updated On: 8/15/12 at 10:01 PM

Hey now, I don't think you're ignorant. And I DO think your hear is in the right place. It may just be that I'm old and jaded, my dear.

Don't let the bastards get you down!

Apart from waiting patiently, I believe the Ellen DeGeneres method of normalizing same-sex relationships will eventually do the trick. Once all the evil bigots die out, the promised land shall be ours.

It's hard to be bitter and jaded when you watch Ellen.

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i would phrase it thus, phyllis.

i am clear. i think it's a very bad idea to lie to people about their sexuality, then lie to them again by telling them it can be "fixed," lie to them a third time by telling them if they damn their natural affections, then grow old and die alone and unloved, they'll get some kind of heavenly reward, THEN make laws to make sure that's what happens, THEN blog about how you need to use your second amendment rights to defend the constitution against the government. phrased thus, yes, i think that's a recipe for violence. i don't particularly trust picknoses and losers with mullets and a wild glint in their eye, oiling their semi-authomatic weapons and muttering that they need these guns to defend innocents like myself from the government, and i think that there should be laws to keep deadly weapons out of the hands of psychiatrically unhinged people like holmes and cho. i think that people should study history and realize our right to vote was won for us by blood and fire, and we have to exercise that right.

malkin (and her ilk) think it's a good idea to lie to people about their sexuality, lie to them again by claiming to be able to fix it, lying a third time by saying that when they have (invariably) failed to "fix" it, the individual in question must now grow old and die alone so they'll get something cool after they die, then put laws into place to make sure that's what happens. she actively blogs about how people need their second amendment rights to defend against government intrusion, and she and her ilk are the loudest when liberals don't want people with psychiatric histories thicker than war and peace to have deadly weapons.

seems to me she has the explaining to do, not me.

"But gay people will continue to be demonized and Christians will continue to cry "oppression" and get away with it."

I grew up in a huge Southern Baptist Church and I remember, particularly during the Clintion administration, propaganda that was sometimes employed to rally the congregation behind some cause. It was always in the name of Christians and Christianity being victimized and threatened.

I recall a video that was shown in church that was soundtracked with some song by Russ Taff or maybe Ray Boltz (who has since come out as gay in recent years) that was a dramatization of a christian man some time in the future sitting in a room with his young son. Throughout the video it showed him sitting on the bed with his Bible reading and teaching his son. At the end of the video it is revealed that the room they are sitting in is actually some sort of prison cell and they have been imprisoned for being Christians. At the very end of the video the father is being led away from his son to be executed because he wouldn't renounce his faith in Christ and he is shouting back at his son as he is being led away, "No matter what they say or do, remember what I taught you."

Now that dramatization wasn't necessarily or specifically about gay people as it was so much about any group, etc. that is in opposition or "oppresses" the christian faith.

We are going to continue to see our pursuit of equality painted as a war on religious freedom.

Updated On: 8/16/12 at 12:02 PM

He has his ass handed to him!
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