"But they've escalated everywhere, including all the places where there has never been a stop and frisk law."
I have no idea to what extent it has escalated everywhere and if it compares to NYC, including the places where there has never been a stop and frisk law. Perhaps those places should institute one. We should reinstitute the law here and watch what happens. If lives are saved, that's what I care about.
Isn't it interesting (and i do mean that because I don't see any easy answer one way or the other), that people who are sick to death of the gun violence are people who are willing to give up the freedom from unreasonable search and seizure as opposed to the gun nuts who would rather SHOOT people than discuss the possibility that something might be done to control guns in this country.
I wish gun nuts would prove they're "responsible" instead of just threatening anybody who wants to discuss trying to get some sort of handle on this RIDICULOUS situation we're in now.
I'm all for stop and frisk. It should have never been stopped here. Our new awful mayor won't ever let that happen again though because it turned into a race issue when it never should have.
I'm sorry Namo, but I live here in NYC, and many times when entering the subway, I saw the cops and the table where they would put the backpacks, and it was not always the same race who were being searched. Plenty of whites.
Since the 4th of July is the day we overlook this country's realities even more than we do every other day of the year, I think it's worth trying to deflate the bubble of delusion. We live in a country where saying what something is about gets you accused of making it about that thing.
We prefer to not acknowledge things in this country. And we have react negatively to anybody who has the temerity to say so out loud.
Oh, Jane. That's not what stop and frisk means in the Bratton context. It means walking up to young black males and frisking them. Not the post-9/11 subway scans.
"the freedom from unreasonable search and seizure "
In your mind, what, if any, would be a reasonable search and seizure? And do you feel it's more important for a person who has something to hide,to have the freedom to injure or kill, than innocent people dying because of it?
But, Broadway Joe... Didn't you know? All black men look suspicious! At least according to Erik and Namo's beliefs. That's why they are always targeted! Duuuhhh
I wonder if they would consider dividing the cops up equally and send those groups to Park Slope, soho, Chinatown, the villages, Spanish Harlem, Inwood, Lozaida, etc. and then we can still have stop and frisk.