So, will Hillary cry before every Primary now?- Page 4

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 1/8/08 at 11:18pm

predictable yeah that's the word of the year.

[StickToPriest]

Posted: 1/8/08 at 11:18pm

"Other politicians on Capitol Hill treat people, and even those that work for them, like dirt (ie Obama)."

I met Senator Obama shortly after he was elected to the Senate. I wasn't very impressed. One on one, he came across as arrogant.

[LadyRosecoe]

Posted: 1/8/08 at 11:19pm

papa, you CAN leave this thread, it's your right as a BWWian, just have respect for President Rob.
Updated On: 1/8/08 at 11:19 PM

[PalJoey]

Posted: 1/8/08 at 11:20pm

Actually, liv's hatred and the subject line of this original post may point to exactly why Hillary won today.

The media jumped on Hillary's loss in Iowa and said her campaign was over. Then she cried and all the Clinton-haters in the media said her tears were phony.

At that point, the voters' sympathies may have begun to shift...the premature reports of her death began to seem like overkill. It was that old thing of villainizing of the woman that women distrust.

So that may be what the women and older Democrats of New Hampshire were thinking as they walked into the voting booths: "Hmmm...she's not as bad as all THAT, now, is she? That poor woman--of COURSE her tears were genuine--the whole world is ganging up on her. I think I'll vote for her after all."

Likewise, liverpool--here on broadwayworld, you're making an awful lot of us Democratic fence-sitters think, "Well, I'm not 100% about her, but that Fenchurch is CRAZY! If he hates her that much, she can't be all bad."

[miss pennywise]

Posted: 1/8/08 at 11:23pm

Every time I read a stupid sexist remark posted on this board, I gain more respect for Hillary Clinton for taking on the good ol' (white) boys' network.

[Liverpool]

Posted: 1/8/08 at 11:24pm

exactly she won because people felt sorry for her and thought everyone was picking on her. It's pathetic. Make a decision based on actual things, not because you feel sympathy for the only female candidate.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 1/8/08 at 11:24pm

Or--as a friend of mine just said--whenever the Clintons get beat up in public, the American public rushes to their sides.

[Roninjoey]

Posted: 1/8/08 at 11:25pm

Well, it has to be said that the media has been quick first to crown her and then to vilify her, and then to paint her as a victim. I AM starting to wonder what the real profile of Hillary Clinton is. The tough as nails ready to go candidate or the underdog who really, really wants to do this and has lots of great ideas?

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 1/8/08 at 11:27pm

she's all icky inside.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 1/8/08 at 11:28pm

Eh. I heard one wonk say that in Iowa, everybody heard how Hilary was going to win it so the Hilary voters didn't think it was as important to vote as the Obama voters did. Then, in New Hampshire, people were saying Hilary was done and was going to quit (right Matt Drudge?) and the Obama voters thought it was less important to get out and vote since he had been coronated since Iowa but the Hilary voters did think it was important.

That's just as likely.

[South Fl Marc]

Posted: 1/8/08 at 11:28pm

I have never been 100% for Hillary - I haven't made up my mind who I'm supporting - but I do love watching all the political pundits. who all but dug Ms. Clintons grave, fall over themselves trying to cover their completely wrong commentaries. The press ... what idiots.

[StickToPriest]

Posted: 1/8/08 at 11:34pm

I almost wish people weren't allowed to poll.

That way people wouldn't be influenced by poll numbers, but who they really want.

[Roninjoey]

Posted: 1/8/08 at 11:38pm

Yeah... I'm wondering, is America SERIOUSLY making its decisions based on voting for the opposite person the polls and newscasters tell them to vote for?

[everythingtaboo]

Posted: 1/8/08 at 11:39pm

All I can say is Thank You to New Hampshire, for keeping the process alive.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 1/8/08 at 11:41pm

Well, it would make a helluva lot of sense, Ron. Given how disenfranchised and voiceless most Americans feel in the land of corporate dominance, one of the few acts of defiance an American may be left with is to do the exact opposite the mainstream media says they're going to do.

[Roninjoey]

Posted: 1/8/08 at 11:46pm

That's true. I suppose it speaks to a larger problem with the imposition of media on the American public and how it effects the way we live our lives.

I still think there are better ways for people to make decisions.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 1/8/08 at 11:48pm

I love that idea, actually.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 1/8/08 at 11:50pm

And how most of the media has been gobbled up by the same four or five conglomerates.

[StickToPriest]

Posted: 1/8/08 at 11:50pm

Does it bother anyone else that when I went to aol.com to check my e-mail, the headline about Hilary winning was accompanied by this picture?

[pab]

Posted: 1/8/08 at 11:51pm

"exactly she won because people felt sorry for her and thought everyone was picking on her."

I would love to be able know exactly what people thought as they cast their vote. It seems that other people know and that must be such a great gift to have.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 1/8/08 at 11:58pm

Priest, as soon as she bugged her eyes out like that I thought, "Don't bug your eyes out like that, Hilary. Well, at least it isn't a scream."

I feel like that point at individuals and mouthing messages to them is an annoying habit she picked up from Babs Streisand.

"Hi Donna Karan!"

[StickToPriest]

Posted: 1/9/08 at 12:08am

You know, the thing that has been virtually ignored about the whole Hillary getting emotional story, is the act that proceeded it.

An undecided voter, a woman around Clinton's age, asked her a question: "What about you?"

The woman expressed concern about Clinton's well-being, what with the constant media attacks and stress of the campaign.

I think the question, the display of concern by this woman, caught Hillary off-guard and hit an emotional cord.

[Roninjoey]

Posted: 1/9/08 at 12:14am

If the question wasn't planted in the first place ;P

[PalJoey]

Posted: 1/9/08 at 12:15am

I think you may be right, StP. But as far as the Hillary-haterz and the "drive-by media" (Hi, HD!) are concerned, everything she does is calculated.

I also think those bug-eye faces are genuine. She could get those coached out of her, but they're genuine, sudden flashes of high emotion.

[Roninjoey]

Posted: 1/9/08 at 12:29am

Nobody can question her passion, which is real, but tempered by a savvy that doesn't always work in her benefit. I still don't think we've seen the "real" Hillary, just as we didn't know who the real Bush would be until he got into office.