#126
Posted: 9/20/12 at 12:43am
It kind of bothers me just how freely the word "Fag" can still be used on primetime television. I don't think you'd ever see someone call Nene Leakes a n* on that show.
#127
Posted: 9/20/12 at 12:45am
^^^^^
Especially when SH*T is still a major no-no on network.
Especially when SH*T is still a major no-no on network.
#128
Posted: 9/20/12 at 12:48am
Out of curiosity, in everyone's opinions, would a man say the things he did in a mall in California? In front of his family, too?
Thinking it is another issue, and I could see the man saying something in many places, but for the actual setting of the show, is it plausible or just another way of having something shocking to be shocking?
Thinking it is another issue, and I could see the man saying something in many places, but for the actual setting of the show, is it plausible or just another way of having something shocking to be shocking?
#129
Posted: 9/20/12 at 12:49am
No, I can see that happening there. I can see it happening everywhere, sadly.
#130
Posted: 9/20/12 at 12:51am
People stink.
To me, the issue cannot be discussed enough until there is equality for everyone. I just worry about how some people may see things like that that are so shocking and think they are removed from reality. That will lose some effect.
To me, the issue cannot be discussed enough until there is equality for everyone. I just worry about how some people may see things like that that are so shocking and think they are removed from reality. That will lose some effect.
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#131
Posted: 9/20/12 at 1:20pm
Certainly I could see people saying that or thinking it amongst themselves, but here it really wouldn't happen in such a vocal manner, and if it did other people would probably speak up (ie not gay people). Keep in mind here means a fairly affluant part of Canada. But certainly I see guys holding hands downtown or on campus where I work everyday (if anything it just makes me jealous and grumpy :P ).
#132
Posted: 9/20/12 at 1:25pm
Not to say it's a gay Eden--there are still hate crimes and guys attacked walking home from the gay bar (by straight, drunk guys), etc. But in that kinda situation shown in The New Normal it really wouldn't likely happen. But I can see it happening elsewhere.
(Was Murphy making a comment by having it happen in the, as pointed out over and over, *outlet* mall?)
(Was Murphy making a comment by having it happen in the, as pointed out over and over, *outlet* mall?)
#133
Posted: 9/20/12 at 1:27pm
Is that the weird looking one ripping his pants off in that Pal Joey Post? He looks ok there- maybe even good. On this show, his face looks weird. I don't know if he's "acting" and is scrunching his face up or if he's had surgery or something but he looks weird.
#134
He's my imaginary boyfriend and we don't imaginarily appreciate the name calling. Do you have a tiny gym suit with your name on it we could buy?
Posted: 9/20/12 at 2:01pm
He's my imaginary boyfriend and we don't imaginarily appreciate the name calling. Do you have a tiny gym suit with your name on it we could buy?
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#135
Posted: 9/20/12 at 2:08pm
Ya know, Joe, not to be a dick or humorless, but the 'weird looking one' is a Tony nominated actor who (I believe) should have easily won the award. His performance in Book of Mormon is one of the great musical comedy performances I've ever seen...probably second to Nathan Lane's performance in The Producers.
By all means, keep calling him the 'weird looking one.' But he used to live in my neighborhood and, on the street, he's strikingly handsome.
By all means, keep calling him the 'weird looking one.' But he used to live in my neighborhood and, on the street, he's strikingly handsome.
#136
He is a little weird-looking.
But lots of people are. It doesn't mean they're not attractive.
Posted: 9/20/12 at 2:16pm
He is a little weird-looking.
But lots of people are. It doesn't mean they're not attractive.
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#137
Posted: 9/20/12 at 2:19pm
I liked episode 3 much better. I think the thing the encounter with the homophobe captured was how SHOCKING it is when somebody comes at you out of the blue in a moment of utter banality... like shopping at a discount store.
I like when people get called out on their nastiness, it just takes a little of the dramatic pleasure out of it for me when the character doing the calling is frequently nasty himself. But in the scene it worked for me and resonated.
You know what would be really helpful for me? A thing that Roseanne got criticized for when her series was getting going. Many reviewers picked on the fact that when the characters made a wisecrack to each other or insulted each other they were always smiling. But it established the "despite EVERYTHING, these people love each other" vibe that fueled that show.
I would like it if the Rannell's character could make a face that acknowledges he's being ridiculous when he reveals his preference for an underweight baby. I'd like it if a person who acknowledges his own failures gets righteous at a bigot like the guy in the store.
I like when people get called out on their nastiness, it just takes a little of the dramatic pleasure out of it for me when the character doing the calling is frequently nasty himself. But in the scene it worked for me and resonated.
You know what would be really helpful for me? A thing that Roseanne got criticized for when her series was getting going. Many reviewers picked on the fact that when the characters made a wisecrack to each other or insulted each other they were always smiling. But it established the "despite EVERYTHING, these people love each other" vibe that fueled that show.
I would like it if the Rannell's character could make a face that acknowledges he's being ridiculous when he reveals his preference for an underweight baby. I'd like it if a person who acknowledges his own failures gets righteous at a bigot like the guy in the store.
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#138
Posted: 9/20/12 at 2:19pm
^ I can get behind that. He's not really my type, actually...but I do think he's pretty attractive.
But Joe's hatey hateness for all things Rannells is a little ugly.
But Joe's hatey hateness for all things Rannells is a little ugly.
#139
Posted: 9/20/12 at 2:21pm
I know Andrew. He is handsome in person, yes. Until recently I thought he was really nice, but some comments he made in a recent interview kind of turned me off. Made me wonder if he's as much of a misogynist as Ryan Murphy is.
#140
Posted: 9/20/12 at 2:24pm
Namo, the thing with ROSEANNE is that (and I truly believe this) that show is the only sitcom to ever accurately depict a real family. Or at least a blue collar family. It was so honest in everything it was (let's forget the last season) that at some points I don't even think you could call it a comedy.
I think that television has gotten far away from that and especially a show like this could never dare to be that brave.
I think that television has gotten far away from that and especially a show like this could never dare to be that brave.
#141
Posted: 9/20/12 at 2:29pm
Josh Gad was nominated for a Tony Award, too- does that mean he's not funny looking either?
#142
Posted: 9/20/12 at 2:29pm
ROSEANNE was such a singular vision. I agree with your assessment, but I don't think all shows can nor should be that.
It's really weird, this conversation about characters saying really un-pc things. When Sherman Hemsley died, I had friends who simply couldn't believe that 'n*' could be said so frequently on a prime-time sitcom, and get laughs. But there's sturm und drang about the awful things said on this show. I don't know how to reconcile the fact that, 30-40 years ago, what's being said today would be considered tame.
It's really weird, this conversation about characters saying really un-pc things. When Sherman Hemsley died, I had friends who simply couldn't believe that 'n*' could be said so frequently on a prime-time sitcom, and get laughs. But there's sturm und drang about the awful things said on this show. I don't know how to reconcile the fact that, 30-40 years ago, what's being said today would be considered tame.
#143
Posted: 9/20/12 at 2:33pm
I think Andrew is suffering what a lot of stage actors suffer through when hitting the small screen with the excessive mugging, exaggerated mannerisms, etc. You would think working with enough theater actors as he has Murphy would know to tell an actor to turn it down but Lea Michele is still making the same faces she did in Season 1.
#145
Posted: 9/20/12 at 2:34pm
Oh. You know Josh Gad's name? Intersting. You'd think you'd learn the other one's name.
I don't find Rannells 'bigness' distracting at this point. But you can tell it's something that's being worked on.
I don't find Rannells 'bigness' distracting at this point. But you can tell it's something that's being worked on.
#146
Posted: 9/20/12 at 2:38pm
Meh, That Josh Gad has some real talent. He's made some movies and seems poised to be more than a one-trick pony who blew the director.
#147
Posted: 9/20/12 at 2:40pm
Some people just enjoy being contrarian.
When everyone's saying "Ooooh, he's gorgeous and talented," the Contrarian will say "Which one? The one I haven't [or claim not to have] noticed?"
That way they rise above everyone else. It makes them smarter, funnier, cooler.
(Or so they think.)
When everyone's saying "Ooooh, he's gorgeous and talented," the Contrarian will say "Which one? The one I haven't [or claim not to have] noticed?"
That way they rise above everyone else. It makes them smarter, funnier, cooler.
(Or so they think.)
#148
Posted: 9/20/12 at 2:41pm
And with that...I remove myself from the discussion for now.
I mean...just ugly.
I mean...just ugly.
#149
Posted: 9/20/12 at 3:01pm
Namo, the thing with ROSEANNE is that (and I truly believe this) that show is the only sitcom to ever accurately depict a real family.
Though not as biting, I think The Middle does a pretty good job at this. I'm not a fan of Patricia Heaton's politics, but I'm a huge fan of her hapless mother schtick. She just nails it.
But it's hard to compare any show to Roseanne. It was such an anomaly, constantly pushing the boundaries of censorship and content and all revolving around the personality of a comedienne that seemed a very unlikely hit at the time based on the pilot.
Though not as biting, I think The Middle does a pretty good job at this. I'm not a fan of Patricia Heaton's politics, but I'm a huge fan of her hapless mother schtick. She just nails it.
But it's hard to compare any show to Roseanne. It was such an anomaly, constantly pushing the boundaries of censorship and content and all revolving around the personality of a comedienne that seemed a very unlikely hit at the time based on the pilot.
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#150
Posted: 9/20/12 at 3:05pm
Oh, I wasn't saying any show should even try to compare to it. And while I admit to never having seen THE MIDDLE, I did forget that GRACE UNDER FIRE did an excellent job with that as well. Thats a show I would really love to see on DVD one day...
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