The Swan
The Swan
Broadway Legend Joined: 10/1/03
The Swan#0
Posted: 4/14/04 at 7:42pmHas anyone watched The Swan yet? The premise of the show is : Twelve women who have always thought thay are ugly get plastic surgery to be beautifull. Then the compete in a pageant to see who is the prettiest. Gotta love that message!
Broadway Legend Joined: 10/10/03
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Posted: 4/14/04 at 7:44pmThink I'll pass. I'm still struggling over the idea that I should've been wearing make-up all of these years...
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Posted: 4/14/04 at 7:46pmnuff said!
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Posted: 4/15/04 at 2:21amI think this is about as low as it goes. I liked "Extreme Makeover", but this is just horrid.
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Posted: 4/26/04 at 1:05pmWhat a great life lesson: After all that pain and suffering, you can still be rejected for your looks. Bravo.
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Posted: 4/26/04 at 1:10pm
Another lesson one can take from that show is looking good isn't going to change your life. You will still be the same person underneath and if you don't like that person, all the surgery in the world isn't going to make a bit of difference.
I watched one episode of this show and was disgusted by the fact that they take these women who hate themselves, are in failing relationships, etc and make them belive that the answer to their problems is lyposuction and a nose job.
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Posted: 4/26/04 at 1:12pm
Not necessarily defending it...
(I've watched it though)
But they do emphasize therapy too.
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Posted: 4/26/04 at 1:20pm
The episodes I saw didn't seem to focus on therapy but should have. This woman is away from her husband for months while she undergoes this change. She keeps calling and he never picks up the phone. She goes on and on about how this is typical of him, he never supports her, isn't interested in her life....but somehow surgery will change that.
I actually realized that I saw two episodes. In the second one a woman has been left by her husband, her brother has been killed and numerous other tragedies have occurred in her life to make her depressed. These people need pschological help, not cosmetic surgery.
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Posted: 4/26/04 at 1:28pmAgreed.
"I broke the boundaries. It wasn't cool to be in plays- especially if you were in sports & I was in both." - Ashton Kutcher
Stand-by Joined: 11/24/03
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Posted: 4/26/04 at 9:38pmReality shows have gone much too far. This is just a scary concept.
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Posted: 4/26/04 at 10:07pmThis indeed is the worst. I watched it twice. They stuck in the token therapist which is adding insult to injury-in three months they get plastic surgery, lipo, diet, gym workouts and therapy, and then they're "all better." And then to top it all off, they go into competition with the other girl of the week and the prettier one gets to go on to the beauty pageant.
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/17/03
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Posted: 4/26/04 at 10:07pmBarnum was right. There is a sucker born every minute. Lowest common denominator. The dumbing down of America
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/17/03
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Posted: 4/26/04 at 10:07pmBarnum was right. There is a sucker born every minute. Lowest common denominator. The dumbing down of America
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Posted: 4/26/04 at 10:27pmHaha, I'd love a reality show which is the followup to the Swan, years later, showing how well these women adjusted to the fact that absolutely nothing about their outward appearance resembles the person they knew for their entire lives.
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Posted: 4/26/04 at 11:06pmOh, and is it not 8 women? Not 12?
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Posted: 4/27/04 at 12:10amgood looking women are treated so much better than a woman who is not considered good looking. i am living proof. when i was young i was much abused in the world of theater because how dare i think i was going to be somebody the way i looked. i grew up, healed myself and became good looking through proper diet, exercise, etc. i understand their elation and relief but on the other hand--self-confidence and self esteem are what make someone truly attractive and unfortunately these things require a lot of support over time. a lovely facade takes very little time to fall apart.
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Posted: 4/27/04 at 5:47amgarland grrrl, well said!!! i have a friend who isn't the prettiest woman, and for years, she suffered from self-esteem problems (probably stemming from her home life) always thinking she was going to fail at whatever opportunity arose... for the longest time she worked as a cashier at a gas station until, finally, she was forced to try something new, and she was good at it! and that just started the ball rolling... she's lost weight, she has a better outlook on life, she feels good about herself, she has a better sense of humor... she still may not be the prettiest woman, but she IS beautiful...
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Posted: 4/27/04 at 8:16am
Good looking people in general are treated better, not just women. However, the pressure to be beautiful is stronger for women. I see nothing wrong with a person wanting surgery to correct a nose that just doesn't fit their face, to make a weak chin stronger or to take a few years off their face. If you generally like yourself as a person and want to look better, that's fine.
This show seems to seek out women whose lives are an emotional wreck. These are people who need to learn how to like themselves before changing their looks. the boost of self esteem they seem to get when they look in the mirror after all that surgery is great but, how long does it last? What happens a year from now when these women realize that their lives don't change, tehir personalities don't change, everything they are inside is still the same? I don't think the pretty face will help them at that point.
I know a woman who, by societies standards, is considred homely. She has a wonderful, happy life, a successsful career, she is surrounded by friends, men fall for her once they get to know her...basically, everyone who meets this woman loves her. It's because something in her life made her a self confident, loving, caring person who just naturally draws others to her. That's what's really important.
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Posted: 4/27/04 at 9:04amTrust me, hot guys sit home on a Saturday night just like everyone else. You have to make things happen with a great personality. Most important is a kind heart because no one wants to hang out with a nasty queen! Oh, and you have to be smart too. So many people can't have an interesting conversation these days. Wow, and all the qualities I mentioned don't involve looks!! That's my 2 cents, now I need coffeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
"I broke the boundaries. It wasn't cool to be in plays- especially if you were in sports & I was in both." - Ashton Kutcher
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Posted: 4/27/04 at 9:09am
Phantom... you don't sit home on Saturday Nights though.
You forgot to delineate between hot, and super-hot. 
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Posted: 4/27/04 at 9:15ammay i say that nasty queens have saved my life more than a few times. long may they flame.
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Posted: 4/27/04 at 9:36amPerhaps you need my definition of a nasty queen?
"I broke the boundaries. It wasn't cool to be in plays- especially if you were in sports & I was in both." - Ashton Kutcher
Broadway Legend Joined: 3/25/04
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Posted: 4/27/04 at 11:52am
Let's get this straight about the dark side of gay life.
There are nasty queens who are strung out and dyspeptic. They are selfish and mean-spirited and can be dangerous when provoked (or even when not provoked). You don't want to hang out with them -- they are the street thugs of homosexuality. Like other bullies, they crumble when confronted. (Rex Reed, Ed Koch, whoever happens to be married to Liza at the moment)
Bitchy queens are more or less harmless and kind of funny -- when they're not sad. (Paul Lynde, Quentin Crisp, just about every gay lyricist on Broadway)
And evil queens are the worst: manipulative and lying. These are the homo-hyenas. (Richard Hatch and Roy Cohn are the prime example.)
Next week's lesson will be happy queers (court jesters, jocks, bois, Abercrombie wannabes, gym rats, chorus boys).
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Posted: 4/27/04 at 2:47pm"A beautiful person may still be ugly inside, but a malformed body may contain a perfect heart" -- Liet Kines
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Posted: 4/27/04 at 3:50pmGreat quote!!
"I broke the boundaries. It wasn't cool to be in plays- especially if you were in sports & I was in both." - Ashton Kutcher
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