The difficulty and reality of AIDS in our world today. — Page 4
#77
Posted: 2/16/05 at 2:05am
Sure thing, it's good to have discussions with people who are open to new ideas. Raggy clearly tried to come up with a scenario for which there was to be no budging from the pre-ordained conclusion.
Raggy, two or more naked people can enjoy masturbation together with absolutely no risk of HIV or any other stds, and believe me, as somebody who has done so in a room with over 125 other naked men at a New York Jacks event, it is VERY much sex and it is SAFE. Not "safer," SAFE. So there, there's one major thing you've got wrong.
Nobody is saying you should do something your morals or values tell you is wrong. But morals and values are not good public health policy. There are thousands and thousands of people with HIV who are living full and productive lives and who have fulfilling sex lives and who have never infected other people. There are many studies of couples in which one is positive and one is negative. And with planning the negative partners manage to stay unifected.
With the groundbreaking work done to protect health care providers who got needle sticks in emergency rooms in years past, there is now a post-exposure prophylaxis which is available for people who may have been exposed in the unlikely event of condom breakage or some other disaster scenario that would prevent you from having sex were, g-d forbid, you the one who is positive.
Of the people who have gone on post-exposure prophylaxis after being exposed to the body fluids of HIV+ partners, can you guess how many have become infected? That would be ZERO.
Again, the question is how much risk is a person willing to tolerate to have a life that is fulfilling, including sexually? And the only way to find out how much you're willing to tolerate is to know what you are talking about, and I am sorry, Raggy, but your posts indicate that you really don't, but that you already know what your answer is when you pose rhetorical questions like you raised in your first post in this thread.
Raggy, two or more naked people can enjoy masturbation together with absolutely no risk of HIV or any other stds, and believe me, as somebody who has done so in a room with over 125 other naked men at a New York Jacks event, it is VERY much sex and it is SAFE. Not "safer," SAFE. So there, there's one major thing you've got wrong.
Nobody is saying you should do something your morals or values tell you is wrong. But morals and values are not good public health policy. There are thousands and thousands of people with HIV who are living full and productive lives and who have fulfilling sex lives and who have never infected other people. There are many studies of couples in which one is positive and one is negative. And with planning the negative partners manage to stay unifected.
With the groundbreaking work done to protect health care providers who got needle sticks in emergency rooms in years past, there is now a post-exposure prophylaxis which is available for people who may have been exposed in the unlikely event of condom breakage or some other disaster scenario that would prevent you from having sex were, g-d forbid, you the one who is positive.
Of the people who have gone on post-exposure prophylaxis after being exposed to the body fluids of HIV+ partners, can you guess how many have become infected? That would be ZERO.
Again, the question is how much risk is a person willing to tolerate to have a life that is fulfilling, including sexually? And the only way to find out how much you're willing to tolerate is to know what you are talking about, and I am sorry, Raggy, but your posts indicate that you really don't, but that you already know what your answer is when you pose rhetorical questions like you raised in your first post in this thread.
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#78
Posted: 2/16/05 at 2:20am
I really think that this has been one of the most amazing threads ever on this board. This is quite possibly the first time I have seen the board come together as a community to discuss an issue of great importance. And much praise to DGrant and Namo.
#80
Posted: 2/16/05 at 2:23am
And a special thanks to the moderators for letting a well-considered topic drift into adult territory (admittedly without the usual juvenalia provided mostly by yours truly) without hitting the delete button. Or maybe they haven't noticed it?? Shhhhhh everybody!
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#81
Posted: 2/16/05 at 2:24am
Well, I pray there are no deletions. This is important education. If anyone shouldn't be reading this thread--they shouldn't be on the OT board period.
#82
Posted: 2/16/05 at 2:24am
From my experience in dealing with Raggy on other threads (none of which has been pleasant mind you) Your statement seems to be spot on. Raggy draws conclusions makes assumptions and doesn't budge. She is also usually wrong. Oh the naivety that can be a part of youth..
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"Someday I'm going to have a baby and I'm gonna name her L'il Mimi Marquez and I and will sing to her every day and when she's a toddler I will say "L'il Mimi Marquez, clad only in a bubble diaper, will perform her famous play pen handcuff dance to the sounds of breast milk being pumped!" ~Kringas
"Someday I'm going to have a baby and I'm gonna name her L'il Mimi Marquez and I and will sing to her every day and when she's a toddler I will say "L'il Mimi Marquez, clad only in a bubble diaper, will perform her famous play pen handcuff dance to the sounds of breast milk being pumped!" ~Kringas
#83
Posted: 2/16/05 at 2:25am
Namo - I thought exactly the same thing - everything in context, I would assume - or hope.
#84
Posted: 2/16/05 at 4:42am
For those that are not aware, the David Geffen Center at GMAC offers FREE TESTING several days a week. (call for more details - I think free testing days are Mon-Wed-Fri.
The Center only can 'take' between 15 and 20 people a day for this. You have to get there early in the morning, take a number and get called back for the actual testing later that day (around 4 pm). They use the new 'OraQuick' system (just a quick prik on the finger) so you will have your results back THE VERY SAME DAY.
I found the people there very helpful and easy to talk to.
The Geffen Center is at 125 West 24 st. NYC 10011-1913.
Phone: 212-367-1100
The Center only can 'take' between 15 and 20 people a day for this. You have to get there early in the morning, take a number and get called back for the actual testing later that day (around 4 pm). They use the new 'OraQuick' system (just a quick prik on the finger) so you will have your results back THE VERY SAME DAY.
I found the people there very helpful and easy to talk to.
The Geffen Center is at 125 West 24 st. NYC 10011-1913.
Phone: 212-367-1100
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#85
Posted: 2/16/05 at 6:03am
I read this article in the paper today and got really pissed off, so I'm glad I'm not the only one.
The whole "young people don't know" arguments really bother me, though. I was born in 1985, I'm a 19 year old straight girl from the suburbs and don't know anyone with HIV, and I still know enough to take it seriously. They started teaching us about AIDS in elementary school, for god's sake, the "safe sex" mentality has been ingrained in us for years.
"Youth" isn't a legitimate excuse, it's just plain stupidity.
The whole "young people don't know" arguments really bother me, though. I was born in 1985, I'm a 19 year old straight girl from the suburbs and don't know anyone with HIV, and I still know enough to take it seriously. They started teaching us about AIDS in elementary school, for god's sake, the "safe sex" mentality has been ingrained in us for years.
"Youth" isn't a legitimate excuse, it's just plain stupidity.
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#86
Posted: 2/16/05 at 7:17am
This is a very long post and for that I apologize, but the article has gone to the papers archives and the link isn't direct. Please take the time to read it.
"I Lost Everything That Proved I Existed"
"A gay man hopes the story of his crystal meth addiction will help save those still in the closet about their own drug problems.
by Steve Volk for The Philadelphia Weekly
When Jimmy Dagenhart saw the Christmas card from his son Jay, he knew it wouldn't offer typical holiday wishes. The card featured a painting of his son looking rough and strung out-the same image that appears on the cover of this newspaper. "May the true spirit of Christmas live within your heart," read the inscription. A typed two-page letter addressed to uncles, aunts, cousins and friends accompanied the card.
Jimmy knew his son's troubles, so the letter's contents didn't surprise him. But he wondered how other family members would react to the third paragraph: "This is my story," it read. "I am a gay, HIV-positive recovering sex and drug addict. I've been arrested, bankrupt and have attempted suicide-once by jumping 33 feet off a ledge at a construction site in Washington, D.C., and many other times by acting out sexually in bathhouses while almost overdosing on drugs, hoping-however unconsciously or consciously-to contract the AIDS virus."
Concerned the graphic confessional would upset her, Jimmy called his ex-wife, Jay's mother. But Jay had already read her the letter over the phone.
"I may not have felt entirely comfortable with it," she says now. "But when Jay read it to me, I knew how important it was to him. I wouldn't have dreamed of asking him not to send it. Besides, it's the truth."
She couldn't predict the family's reaction. What she did know is the letter comprised another step in her son's path, a path that may soon make him a controversial figure in Philadelphia.
Jay Dagenhart moved here two years ago to kick a crystal meth addiction. Instead he wallowed for a year in city bathhouses, consuming the drug and becoming part of a subculture within the gay community that uses crystal to enhance sex. He celebrates his first year of sobriety this week. But his personal victory is only a start.
Dagenhart recently co-founded a task force to educate the gay community on the dangers of abusing crystal meth, a pure form of methamphetamine linked to high-risk sexual behaviors that further the spread of HIV.
Dagenhart knows the connection firsthand.
"Buy Crystal, Get HIV Free"
It's 8 o'clock Sunday night. Eight men gather in Jay Dagenhart's living room for a meeting of the Philadelphia Crystal Meth Task Force.
It's October, and Dagenhart, a thin man with close-cropped hair and the small, angular features of a carved idol, passes out the agenda. No single person controls the task force's activities, but the 36-year-old Dagenhart is the group's most vocal member.
His struggle with the drug lasted more than five years and almost killed him. Dagenhart preferred to snort crystal, which can also be smoked or injected. Crystal provides an unparalleled adrenaline rush, turns insecurity into confidence and fuels sexual appetite and desire. Because the drug reduces inhibitions and increases the user's tolerance for pain, it's been tied in the gay community to prolonged episodes of unprotected anal sex or "barebacking" with multiple partners. Binge behavior.
Many of the recovering addicts on the task force say meth can twist sexual arousal into a kind of psychosis. "If you're on crystal," says one, "you can look at a table lamp and want to have sex with it."
Use of crystal in the gay community first drew national notice in summer 2003 when singer Rufus Wainwright admitted his addiction in The New York Times. But so far the crystal meth problem has received shockingly little notice locally.
Tonight Dagenhart displays ideas for posters, information cards and pamphlets he plans to disseminate. He wants to out crystal in part by adapting some of the messages used by activists in New York, including a poster that features a disco ball, a set of bare, ripped abs and a simple slogan: "Buy crystal, get HIV free."
When he shows the image and says he'd like to put up similar posters in Philly, the task force members nod in agreement.
"We should definitely pass stuff out at the Blue Ball," says one man. "We'll tell them, "After you finish partying this weekend, sober up!'"
The men are careful not to offend Blue Ball organizers or partygoers. But they believe a lot of their target audience will attend the annual community fundraiser.
"The Blue Ball isn't all about sex and drugs," says one man.
The others laugh.
"Not everyone there is doing drugs," he insists.
Just 15 minutes into the meeting the group lands in culturally treacherous territory. They want to change the conversation, to get the gay community-their community-to start looking at the cost meth exacts. But crystal sits at an emotionally charged nexus between gay men, sex and HIV, making it a difficult subject to broach. Because of this task force, however, and because city health agencies also perceive a growing crisis, the drug will soon get a very public coming-out party.
"Crystal Is Linked to Sexual Behavior"
"We don't know the extent of the problem in Philadelphia," says David Acosta, coordinator of prevention programs for the city's AIDS office. "But a problem exists. Anecdotally, more and more people tell me there's a lot of crystal out there."
The city is now convening a task force to quantify and address the problem. The Mazzoni Center, a resource hub for the LGBT community, offers some statistics. In 2004, 30 percent of those who tested positive for HIV at their facilities listed using crystal meth as one of their "high-risk" behaviors.
"That's up significantly from the year before," says Mazzoni Center executive director Nurit Shein. "We've been seeing meth use increase for more than a year. We want to deal with it now, while it's still a problem and not yet a catastrophe."
Shein says she believes the number of men listing crystal as a high-risk behavior should be higher, but the methods of questioning leave room for dissembling. Shein also says the drug is probably linked to the increased spread of syphilis and other sexually transmitted diseases. The Mazzoni Center is planning an afternoon forum for healthcare providers and a town hall meeting for the community to discuss crystal meth.
Other cities, like New York, San Francisco and Miami, have already confronted the link between crystal meth abuse and HIV infection rates. In New York a small group of activists led the charge.
Playwright Harvey Fierstein moderated a November 2003 public forum attended by more than 300 people. HIV-negative and -positive men openly addressed the stigmatization each felt from the other. Some spoke of seeing twentysomethings being barebacked in New York City bathhouses by older men with KS lesions-the brown, red or purple growths that can signal full-blown AIDS. Peter Staley, a well-known gay activist, stunned the crowd by admitting to abusing meth and engaging in unprotected, anonymous sex without disclosing his HIV-positive status to his partners.
Whether the forum succeeded in diminishing crystal meth use isn't known, but signs are encouraging. "Crystal Meth Anonymous tells us attendance has doubled in New York in the past year," reports Dr. Bruce Kellerhouse, one of the city's leading crystal activists. "But I can't speak with any authority about whether use has peaked yet in New York."
Though much of the evidence linking the drug to HIV infection is anecdotal, the Centers for Disease Control is targeting crystal as a factor in new HIV cases. According to statistics the CDC receives from 32 states, new HIV diagnoses increased in the "men who have sex with men" (MSM) subgroup by 11 percent during the most recent four-year period. New York City suffered a 17 percent spike in new HIV infections among gay men over three years.
Some of this increase can be traced to simple condom fatigue. But meth abuse plays such a big role that it's been touted as the "new gay epidemic."
"Crystal is linked to sexual behavior for a lot of people in the MSM community," says CDC scientist Gordon Mansergh. "And statistically we tend to see a far greater incidence of crystal meth use in the MSM community than in other groups."
Mansergh quotes one study in which men who used meth in their last encounter were twice as likely to have engaged in unprotected receptive anal sex. Meth users were also twice as likely to report unprotected sex with someone of a different HIV status.
Philadelphia's Department of Public Health won't disclose local HIV statistics because they don't trust the accuracy of the numbers they receive from healthcare providers. The difficulty in nailing down statistics for such a pressing public health issue is another example of the topic's sensitivity. The need for political correctness sometimes works counter to the need for openness and honesty, which is why Jay Dagenhart hopes telling his story will help others tell theirs.
"That Means You're a Queer!"
Child psychologists say the love we receive as children creates our foundation. In this respect gay men are born twice. The first birth is joyous-into the arms of waiting parents. The second birth offers conflict. After announcing their sexuality to friends and family, gay men wonder if anyone will hold them at all.
Jay Dagenhart was born and raised Catholic in Richmond, Va. When he was 16, his boyfriend gave him a ring, which he wore on his ring finger. When he told his mother, she stayed home from work for a couple of days to recover. Then he told his father.
"That means you're a queer," his father said, giving voice to a shame Dagenhart would carry with him for years. "You're a queer! If you ever bring a man home, I'll kill him!"
To their credit, Dagenhart's parents adjusted. Elizabeth Dagenhart quickly found the words to address her son. She and her then-husband even attended Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays (PFLAG) meetings. "I didn't know anything about homosexuality," says Jimmy Dagenhart now. "But within a year I learned a lot, and Jay did bring his boyfriend home. He was tall, Italian, good-looking, polite and smart. Everything you could ask for."
But Jay couldn't shake that first reaction or the idea that something was wrong with him. He hunted for validation. "I needed a father figure," he says now. "I needed a mentor."
Instead he found a banker in his late 50s. The man shopped frequently in the department store where the then-21-year-old worked. One day the man called the store and asked him to lunch. A relationship formed. The man lived in another town with his wife and kids. When he came to Richmond on business, he visited Dagenhart, whom he'd set up in an apartment.
The arrangement quickly turned dark. The older man insisted Dagenhart phone him and write him every day. He also insisted the younger man not engage in any romantic relationships.
Their union consisted of cold exchanges. "If he came into town for lunch," Dagenhart says, "he'd come to the apartment, and I'd blow him. We'd go eat. Then I'd get him off again. If he was in town for the night, I'd get him off and we'd go to dinner. When we came home, I'd get him off again. He'd sleep, and in the morning before he left I'd blow him. Maybe we'd have breakfast, and if we did sometimes I had to get him off after that."
Dagenhart felt sick. He didn't know how to end the relationship. The shopping, the clothes and the apartment all served as validation. "The material things helped me say, "I'm somebody,'" recalls Dagenhart. But his relationship with the older man felt like prostitution.
Eventually Dagenhart fell in love with someone closer to his age. When the older man found out, he showed Dagenhart a list of stocks placed in a trust that could be his when he turned 30. But he would need to remain loyal. "The dividends on those stocks would have paid $6,000 to $10,000 per month," says Dagenhart. "That was my chance to sell my soul. But I left. I went with my new boyfriend."
He left Richmond and wound up in New York, where he experimented with drugs like cocaine and Ecstasy, then eventually settled on meth. "It was great at first," says Dagenhart. "It seemed to take away all my guilt and shame. Then I lost my mind."
"It Had to Be the Guy on Crystal"
It's 10 o'clock Friday night. "Billy" has been sober for 78 days. "Tommy" has been sober for 12. Phillip has been sober for more than two years. Darren has been sober for 73 days.
Sometimes their ranks swell to as many as 15 or 20 members for a week or two. "These young guys show up," says Phillip. "Then they disappear. They go back to the drug because it's so hard to kick."
Tonight there are six regulars. The meeting follows the format of Alcoholics Anonymous. "Speed is my master," they read aloud. "My name is __ , and I'm an addict."
Tonight they remember their first 10 days of sobriety. The consensus: The first 10 days are like hauling yourself up from the darkness of an earthen pit by your fingernails. Gravity works against your every motion, then things get worse. "After the first 10 days," says Billy, "when the voices stop and you realize everyone's not talking about you, then suddenly you have to deal with what is. And that's a mess."
With the exception of Dagenhart, most of the men don't want their real names published (pseudonyms are printed in quotes). But they don't mind letting a reporter sit in on this Crystal Meth Anonymous meeting so the public can learn more about the drug's dangers.
"Once it shifts," says Tommy, "you never get back that original high. I'd go to the bathhouse, and I couldn't leave. I couldn't stop having sex. I'm fairly well read and educated, and the next thing I knew I looked like a hustler. Then I'd wake up-that's what coming down is like, waking up-and I'd have seven to 10 days of depression."
Darren tells the group he watches a lot of zombie movies. He thinks his fascination with ghouls stems from the similarity between zombiefication and crystal addiction. At first everyone in the group smiles at this observation. So does Darren. Then he enacts the transformation.
"First," he says, "you slacken all of your facial muscles."
He falls silent, his jaw muscles no longer working, and the rest of the group falls silent too, as Darren's performance turns creepy and sadly familiar.
His eyes grow hollow and hard. His head lolls forward like a drunk's. His limbs look heavy as stones sinking into mud. When he reanimates himself, the men in the room smile joylessly. So does Darren.
Then it's Dagenhart's turn. He laughs dryly. "My first 10 days of sobriety," he says wonderingly. "I had so many relapses. I had first 10 days all up and down the East Coast."
Dagenhart tells the group he recently went to the bathhouse for the first time in many months. He was horny and lonely so he went to Club Body Center at 12th and Chancellor streets. He didn't use crystal, though the drug was readily available. He disclosed his HIV status to everyone, though no one asked.
"The first four guys were gonna have sex with me without finding out my status," says Dagenhart. "Then when I told them, they turned away. But the fifth guy was on crystal. He was willing to do whatever I wanted. It figures."
The group laughs.
Dagenhart tossed CMA literature over the walls, into the private rooms where men were having sex.
"Did you get any reactions?" Phillip asks him.
"Yeah," says Dagenhart. "Some of them laughed."
"I Liked Being the Candy Man"
Dagenhart first used crystal meth in 1990, but his boyfriend at the time was a trust fund baby who favored cocaine. Those were great days for a man with Dagenhart's insecurities.
The relationship lasted four and a half years. His boyfriend had a beautiful place in the Hamptons. They ate in the finest restaurants. They bought whatever they wanted. "I was an arrogant little prick," says Dagenhart, "even though none of those possessions were ever really mine."
He tried crystal again in 1998 and quickly found himself addicted. As with many gay men, Dagenhart's use of crystal-also known as TINA-was inextricably linked with sex.
Crystal meth users meet on the Internet, in bathhouses and at cruising spots around town. Dagenhart says crystal is often readily available in bathhouses. "It's a great place for a dealer to set up shop," he says. "What police officer is going to go in there, wear a towel and risk getting his ass grabbed?"
On the Internet the transactions are arranged with the formality of a stock trade. PW found men looking to hook up for crystal and sex within seconds in AOL chat rooms, and in only relatively longer time periods through Craigslist and squirt.org, two online meeting places.
Men interested in combining anonymous sex and drug use employ the acronym PNP, which stands for "Party and Play." They rarely post pictures of their faces but often put up pictures of their penises. "This focus on the body among my people," says Dagenhart, "is so damaging. There's such a focus on huge muscles and enormous cocks."
Albert Luciano, a gay man who works as a substance rehabilitation and mental health therapist in the heart of the Gayborhood, estimates that maybe half his clients abuse crystal or suffer full-blown addiction. About 25 percent of his clients who use crystal tested positive for HIV since starting to use the drug.
"It's very sad," says Luciano. "These are young, smart men who could probably have lived out their whole lives without ever getting HIV if only they hadn't used crystal."
While Luciano acknowledges some people can take crystal once or twice a year and be done with it, he says the unique challenges of life as a homosexual can lead to the insecurity that propels casual use into addiction. And gay society itself is partly to blame.
"I have people come into my office and tell me they're depressed because they're not on the A-list," says Luciano. "This idea that they don't have six-pack abs, they don't make lots of money, they don't get invited to the best parties-I tell them: "What A-list? You're in Philadelphia.' Gay culture, and in part this is because the straight media puts out these images of gay men, is far too focused on material success."
Luciano's challenge is to help his clients focus on looking inside themselves for self-esteem, which is what Dagenhart had to learn. In New York he bounced from one high-paying job to the next in fashion and real estate, and became his friends' meth supplier.
"They all knew where to find it," says Dagenhart, who gave the drug away. "I liked being the candy man. But then I hit bottom. I had no money, and I was like, "My friends! Where are all my friends?'"
Dagenhart spent days at a time in New York City bathhouses, particularly the West Side Club. In a single weekend he might have anonymous, unprotected sex with as many as 20 or 30 men. He fell into a rhythm of spending every weekend at the bathhouse, then running to get tested for HIV on Monday.
A ritual developed: The doctor would usher Dagenhart into his office, then deliver the good news from behind his desk. But after one binge weekend the doctor sat down next to him. "I said, "You always sit behind your desk,'" recalls Dagenhart. ""Go sit behind your desk!'"
"I'm HIV Positive"
Dagenhart confessed his HIV diagnosis and his drug addiction to his mother-on Mother's Day 2000. From there his behavior grew increasingly bizarre.
He moved from New York, back to Richmond, Va., to Virginia Beach, to Baltimore, traveling frequently to Washington, D.C., and New York City to score drugs and visit bathhouses. He lost job after job. Whatever glamour the drug once held for him soon faded.
He did crystal before he got out of bed and made coffee. He began to excrete it through his pores. "It comes out very much in a rock crystal form," he says. "But in a weird way it still had a perverse appeal. I felt like a warrior-a drug warrior. It was the only thing I could say to legitimize myself. I was so ****ed up."
He hatched fantastic plans. There was always a project or business to start, but the drug destroys the creativity it fuels. His apartment in Baltimore was half painted. He moved and half unpacked. When the drug called, he left and never finished what he'd started.
High on crystal, he propositioned a straight man in Baltimore, who beat him for it, yielding only when Dagenhart told him, "I'm HIV positive, and some of my blood is going to get into those cuts on your hands."
Then 9/11 happened-but Dagenhart didn't know until four days later. "I'd been on a binge," he says, "and I turned on the radio, to NPR, and they were talking in these really solemn voices about the Twin Towers being destroyed. I thought, "What kind of bull**** is this?'"
Dagenhart started calling friends on Sept. 15 to try to confirm the terrorist attacks. He drove from Baltimore to New York and parked on the side of the road within site of the city's diminished skyline. He got out of the car and knelt down on the pavement as traffic whizzed by. A cop came up behind him and asked, "What are you doing?"
"Praying," Dagenhart replied.
He spent a little time in a holding cell over that incident and in a hospital, getting rehydrated. Crystal addicts flat-out forget to eat or drink. And there were other episodes.
He once knocked on a strange lady's door, thinking it was his mother's house-but his mother lived more than 100 miles away. He spent the night in the woods and defecated liquid, suffusing his clothes and skin with feces. And finally he stood on the side of a construction site in Washington, D.C. Dozens of workers operated machinery below in a deep pit cut out for a building's foundation. "I said, "If God exists, he'll catch me,'" says Dagenhart.
Then he jumped.
"Snorting Meth and F*CKing and Dancing and Singing"
Dagenhart fell 33 feet and landed on sand. Doctors put 24 steel sutures in his head. He ached all over. But he lived.
A friend, J.D. Talasek, picked Dagenhart up at the hospital and took him home. "He was a mess," says Talasek. "He was just really difficult to look at."
A photographer, Talasek shot the black-and-white photo of Dagenhart (see p. 1
with his head shaved and the sutures protruding from his scalp. The photo is now the central image of the Philadelphia task force's first educational poster. "I figured he'd want to see that photograph some day," says Talasek, "to see where he had been."
Talasek saw Dagenhart through a number of crises, and marvels at the way his personality poked through the haze of crystal. "He could be very cold and manipulative when he was high," says Talasek. "But even when he spun these wild fantasies, they were usually about nonprofits he wanted to run, organizations designed to help other people. That told me he was worth saving."
Dagenhart called an old boyfriend, someone he hadn't seen since the worst phase of his addiction. "The truth is," says Dagenhart, "he was the one source of support I hadn't tapped out yet."
Jeffrey Auch and his new partner helped Dagenhart move his few remaining belongings from Baltimore to their home in Ardmore. Some 70 percent of substance abuse patients relapse in their first attempt at recovery. Dagenhart relapsed a few times in Philadelphia, and Auch had to kick him out.
"We hated to do it," says Auch. "When he wasn't using, you could see what a beautiful, intelligent person he is. But he used again, and we had a rule that he wouldn't."
Dagenhart moved from apartment to apartment, crashing with a boyfriend and people he'd met in recovery. He advertised his services as a "massage therapist," giving handjobs for money.
He spent many weekends at Club Body Center. "It was the same thing," he says. "I'd stay there all weekend, snorting meth and ****ing and dancing and singing."
Finally, he lost an apartment in Center City and his landlord put all his belongings on the sidewalk. "I lost my Social Security card," says Dagenhart. "My birth certificate. I lost everything that proved I existed."
"I Feel Like I Found a Home"
Dagenhart kneels on a hard tile floor, working the bristles of a scrub brush around the edges of a toilet. He's on the top floor of a five-story house on Spring Garden Street, cleaning a client's bathroom.
"I enjoy it," he says. "When I go home at the end of the day, I've done something good for other people in their lives. And I like that."
Once Dagenhart hit bottom, he started working for a friend cleaning houses. Then he started his own business, Angelic Cleaning, which has dozens of clients.
This Thurs., Feb. 10, will mark his first year of sobriety. The 12-step program has been good to him. Because the Catholic Church's prohibitions against homosexual behavior prevent Dagenhart from embracing his childhood religion, he was recently confirmed at St. Luke and the Epiphany, an Episcopal church. "Philadelphia's been good to me," says Dagenhart. "I really didn't know what I was going to do when I got here. But I feel like I found a home."
There might be an element of penance to his new profession, because for years he took so much from friends and family and gave so little. Penance of a kind was also why he sent out such a dramatic and personal Christmas card. He wanted the people who knew him when he was high and selfish to hear that he had learned his lesson.
"I clean other people's houses now," says Dagenhart. "And even though I'm proud of where I am today, it's also humbling. I've really been broken down."
He smiles as he says this. Since he admitted to his own humiliation, the world treats him more gently. And now that he no longer seeks a drug-induced high, bliss sometimes just comes to him.
Dagenhart recently read a passage in the New Testament about a demon-possessed boy. The boy's parents brought him before Jesus. Jesus cast the demon out. Sometimes emotion sits unexpressed for so long that it builds upon itself like layers of sediment, until only an earthquake can move it. When Dagenhart read this passage, he started to cry. "I hadn't cried in 10 years," he says. "The drug just saps your emotions."
On that night his tears flowed freely. He fled his apartment to breathe fresh air. But in the street he heard a voice. Voices spoke to him when he took crystal too. They told him he was worthless, that he'd been weighed, measured and found wanting. They also told him he was attractive-that everyone wanted him. But this voice was different. It asked him a question: "Have you ever bought yourself flowers?"
"No," he replied.
"Go buy yourself flowers," the voice said. "To show you love yourself."
So Dagenhart bought flowers. He knew how crazy an idea this was, but he figured the voice he was hearing was the voice of God. Not the God who preaches, but a practical, loving God. This practical God next told Dagenhart to go buy a sex toy. "You are going to be spending some time alone," this voice said. "Because you are not going to be hitting the bathhouse like you used to, go buy a sex toy."
Dagenhart made the purchase, then walked by a coffee shop, Crimson Moon at 20th and Sansom streets. As he passed the front door he felt his energy level rise. But the rush waned as he walked away. So he walked back.
He did this a couple times. Each time he stood in front of the door he felt ... high. Finally, he opened the door and a wash of calypso music bled right into his pores. He stood there and took in this feeling, scanning the room until his eyes fell upon a well-dressed black man. He looked positively regal, with his legs crossed, holding a walking stick and wearing a fantastic broad-brimmed black hat.
Some may read this story, a tale about a recovering addict who wound up having conversations with God, and decide that this was some kind of delusion or flashback. When Dagenhart was on crystal his mind raced on a tidal wave of amphetamine and endorphins. He remained aware of his surroundings, but they moved too fast for him to appreciate-like scenery passing outside a high-speed train. The rush he felt was synthetic and temporary, its positive effects fading until he could score again.
But when he stood inside this coffee shop, staring at this beautiful man and listening to this music, he felt the presence of the divine. The moment was real.
"Thank you," he told the man.
In return the man nodded once, solemnly, then stood up and walked out the door. It was as if he'd been waiting for Dagenhart to thank him. Now he could go.
"I feel liberated," says Dagenhart now. "My whole life I was so caught up in trying to be somebody. It was all about material things-sex, drugs, possessions. There were so many people I didn't actually respect. But what they thought meant everything to me. I was pathetic. But I needed to get through all those things to be where I am now. And I love where I am now. After all this time, I feel free."
Dagenhart still has his concerns. He declared bankruptcy during his recovery. There are old debts to pay and a business to build. Of course he also still has HIV, and just remembering to take his pills every day is a chore.
He's also still repairing old relationships, which is why he worried a bit about whether his family would approve of the Jay Dagenhart they met through his Christmas card.
It's true, one of his aunts did call his mother and say, "Did he have to write about the bathhouse?" But when he traveled to Richmond for the holidays, his relatives approached him with a new tenderness and love. His uncles, some of them policemen, walked up and shook his hand.
"They'd pump my hand and look right into my eyes," says Dagenhart, remembering. "And it was the way they looked at me that told me everything I needed to know."
He'd admitted who he was and what he'd been through-and in turn he got respect. It was a wonderful lesson for Dagenhart, who feels vindicated in his desire to share his story.
"I think it was an appropriate Christmas card from me," he says. "Because I didn't find God, I didn't find the spirit by being given anything. I found it by losing it all. I found it by suffering. Once all of the material **** was taken away, I found out who I really am. And it's a gift."
"I Lost Everything That Proved I Existed"
"A gay man hopes the story of his crystal meth addiction will help save those still in the closet about their own drug problems.
by Steve Volk for The Philadelphia Weekly
When Jimmy Dagenhart saw the Christmas card from his son Jay, he knew it wouldn't offer typical holiday wishes. The card featured a painting of his son looking rough and strung out-the same image that appears on the cover of this newspaper. "May the true spirit of Christmas live within your heart," read the inscription. A typed two-page letter addressed to uncles, aunts, cousins and friends accompanied the card.
Jimmy knew his son's troubles, so the letter's contents didn't surprise him. But he wondered how other family members would react to the third paragraph: "This is my story," it read. "I am a gay, HIV-positive recovering sex and drug addict. I've been arrested, bankrupt and have attempted suicide-once by jumping 33 feet off a ledge at a construction site in Washington, D.C., and many other times by acting out sexually in bathhouses while almost overdosing on drugs, hoping-however unconsciously or consciously-to contract the AIDS virus."
Concerned the graphic confessional would upset her, Jimmy called his ex-wife, Jay's mother. But Jay had already read her the letter over the phone.
"I may not have felt entirely comfortable with it," she says now. "But when Jay read it to me, I knew how important it was to him. I wouldn't have dreamed of asking him not to send it. Besides, it's the truth."
She couldn't predict the family's reaction. What she did know is the letter comprised another step in her son's path, a path that may soon make him a controversial figure in Philadelphia.
Jay Dagenhart moved here two years ago to kick a crystal meth addiction. Instead he wallowed for a year in city bathhouses, consuming the drug and becoming part of a subculture within the gay community that uses crystal to enhance sex. He celebrates his first year of sobriety this week. But his personal victory is only a start.
Dagenhart recently co-founded a task force to educate the gay community on the dangers of abusing crystal meth, a pure form of methamphetamine linked to high-risk sexual behaviors that further the spread of HIV.
Dagenhart knows the connection firsthand.
"Buy Crystal, Get HIV Free"
It's 8 o'clock Sunday night. Eight men gather in Jay Dagenhart's living room for a meeting of the Philadelphia Crystal Meth Task Force.
It's October, and Dagenhart, a thin man with close-cropped hair and the small, angular features of a carved idol, passes out the agenda. No single person controls the task force's activities, but the 36-year-old Dagenhart is the group's most vocal member.
His struggle with the drug lasted more than five years and almost killed him. Dagenhart preferred to snort crystal, which can also be smoked or injected. Crystal provides an unparalleled adrenaline rush, turns insecurity into confidence and fuels sexual appetite and desire. Because the drug reduces inhibitions and increases the user's tolerance for pain, it's been tied in the gay community to prolonged episodes of unprotected anal sex or "barebacking" with multiple partners. Binge behavior.
Many of the recovering addicts on the task force say meth can twist sexual arousal into a kind of psychosis. "If you're on crystal," says one, "you can look at a table lamp and want to have sex with it."
Use of crystal in the gay community first drew national notice in summer 2003 when singer Rufus Wainwright admitted his addiction in The New York Times. But so far the crystal meth problem has received shockingly little notice locally.
Tonight Dagenhart displays ideas for posters, information cards and pamphlets he plans to disseminate. He wants to out crystal in part by adapting some of the messages used by activists in New York, including a poster that features a disco ball, a set of bare, ripped abs and a simple slogan: "Buy crystal, get HIV free."
When he shows the image and says he'd like to put up similar posters in Philly, the task force members nod in agreement.
"We should definitely pass stuff out at the Blue Ball," says one man. "We'll tell them, "After you finish partying this weekend, sober up!'"
The men are careful not to offend Blue Ball organizers or partygoers. But they believe a lot of their target audience will attend the annual community fundraiser.
"The Blue Ball isn't all about sex and drugs," says one man.
The others laugh.
"Not everyone there is doing drugs," he insists.
Just 15 minutes into the meeting the group lands in culturally treacherous territory. They want to change the conversation, to get the gay community-their community-to start looking at the cost meth exacts. But crystal sits at an emotionally charged nexus between gay men, sex and HIV, making it a difficult subject to broach. Because of this task force, however, and because city health agencies also perceive a growing crisis, the drug will soon get a very public coming-out party.
"Crystal Is Linked to Sexual Behavior"
"We don't know the extent of the problem in Philadelphia," says David Acosta, coordinator of prevention programs for the city's AIDS office. "But a problem exists. Anecdotally, more and more people tell me there's a lot of crystal out there."
The city is now convening a task force to quantify and address the problem. The Mazzoni Center, a resource hub for the LGBT community, offers some statistics. In 2004, 30 percent of those who tested positive for HIV at their facilities listed using crystal meth as one of their "high-risk" behaviors.
"That's up significantly from the year before," says Mazzoni Center executive director Nurit Shein. "We've been seeing meth use increase for more than a year. We want to deal with it now, while it's still a problem and not yet a catastrophe."
Shein says she believes the number of men listing crystal as a high-risk behavior should be higher, but the methods of questioning leave room for dissembling. Shein also says the drug is probably linked to the increased spread of syphilis and other sexually transmitted diseases. The Mazzoni Center is planning an afternoon forum for healthcare providers and a town hall meeting for the community to discuss crystal meth.
Other cities, like New York, San Francisco and Miami, have already confronted the link between crystal meth abuse and HIV infection rates. In New York a small group of activists led the charge.
Playwright Harvey Fierstein moderated a November 2003 public forum attended by more than 300 people. HIV-negative and -positive men openly addressed the stigmatization each felt from the other. Some spoke of seeing twentysomethings being barebacked in New York City bathhouses by older men with KS lesions-the brown, red or purple growths that can signal full-blown AIDS. Peter Staley, a well-known gay activist, stunned the crowd by admitting to abusing meth and engaging in unprotected, anonymous sex without disclosing his HIV-positive status to his partners.
Whether the forum succeeded in diminishing crystal meth use isn't known, but signs are encouraging. "Crystal Meth Anonymous tells us attendance has doubled in New York in the past year," reports Dr. Bruce Kellerhouse, one of the city's leading crystal activists. "But I can't speak with any authority about whether use has peaked yet in New York."
Though much of the evidence linking the drug to HIV infection is anecdotal, the Centers for Disease Control is targeting crystal as a factor in new HIV cases. According to statistics the CDC receives from 32 states, new HIV diagnoses increased in the "men who have sex with men" (MSM) subgroup by 11 percent during the most recent four-year period. New York City suffered a 17 percent spike in new HIV infections among gay men over three years.
Some of this increase can be traced to simple condom fatigue. But meth abuse plays such a big role that it's been touted as the "new gay epidemic."
"Crystal is linked to sexual behavior for a lot of people in the MSM community," says CDC scientist Gordon Mansergh. "And statistically we tend to see a far greater incidence of crystal meth use in the MSM community than in other groups."
Mansergh quotes one study in which men who used meth in their last encounter were twice as likely to have engaged in unprotected receptive anal sex. Meth users were also twice as likely to report unprotected sex with someone of a different HIV status.
Philadelphia's Department of Public Health won't disclose local HIV statistics because they don't trust the accuracy of the numbers they receive from healthcare providers. The difficulty in nailing down statistics for such a pressing public health issue is another example of the topic's sensitivity. The need for political correctness sometimes works counter to the need for openness and honesty, which is why Jay Dagenhart hopes telling his story will help others tell theirs.
"That Means You're a Queer!"
Child psychologists say the love we receive as children creates our foundation. In this respect gay men are born twice. The first birth is joyous-into the arms of waiting parents. The second birth offers conflict. After announcing their sexuality to friends and family, gay men wonder if anyone will hold them at all.
Jay Dagenhart was born and raised Catholic in Richmond, Va. When he was 16, his boyfriend gave him a ring, which he wore on his ring finger. When he told his mother, she stayed home from work for a couple of days to recover. Then he told his father.
"That means you're a queer," his father said, giving voice to a shame Dagenhart would carry with him for years. "You're a queer! If you ever bring a man home, I'll kill him!"
To their credit, Dagenhart's parents adjusted. Elizabeth Dagenhart quickly found the words to address her son. She and her then-husband even attended Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays (PFLAG) meetings. "I didn't know anything about homosexuality," says Jimmy Dagenhart now. "But within a year I learned a lot, and Jay did bring his boyfriend home. He was tall, Italian, good-looking, polite and smart. Everything you could ask for."
But Jay couldn't shake that first reaction or the idea that something was wrong with him. He hunted for validation. "I needed a father figure," he says now. "I needed a mentor."
Instead he found a banker in his late 50s. The man shopped frequently in the department store where the then-21-year-old worked. One day the man called the store and asked him to lunch. A relationship formed. The man lived in another town with his wife and kids. When he came to Richmond on business, he visited Dagenhart, whom he'd set up in an apartment.
The arrangement quickly turned dark. The older man insisted Dagenhart phone him and write him every day. He also insisted the younger man not engage in any romantic relationships.
Their union consisted of cold exchanges. "If he came into town for lunch," Dagenhart says, "he'd come to the apartment, and I'd blow him. We'd go eat. Then I'd get him off again. If he was in town for the night, I'd get him off and we'd go to dinner. When we came home, I'd get him off again. He'd sleep, and in the morning before he left I'd blow him. Maybe we'd have breakfast, and if we did sometimes I had to get him off after that."
Dagenhart felt sick. He didn't know how to end the relationship. The shopping, the clothes and the apartment all served as validation. "The material things helped me say, "I'm somebody,'" recalls Dagenhart. But his relationship with the older man felt like prostitution.
Eventually Dagenhart fell in love with someone closer to his age. When the older man found out, he showed Dagenhart a list of stocks placed in a trust that could be his when he turned 30. But he would need to remain loyal. "The dividends on those stocks would have paid $6,000 to $10,000 per month," says Dagenhart. "That was my chance to sell my soul. But I left. I went with my new boyfriend."
He left Richmond and wound up in New York, where he experimented with drugs like cocaine and Ecstasy, then eventually settled on meth. "It was great at first," says Dagenhart. "It seemed to take away all my guilt and shame. Then I lost my mind."
"It Had to Be the Guy on Crystal"
It's 10 o'clock Friday night. "Billy" has been sober for 78 days. "Tommy" has been sober for 12. Phillip has been sober for more than two years. Darren has been sober for 73 days.
Sometimes their ranks swell to as many as 15 or 20 members for a week or two. "These young guys show up," says Phillip. "Then they disappear. They go back to the drug because it's so hard to kick."
Tonight there are six regulars. The meeting follows the format of Alcoholics Anonymous. "Speed is my master," they read aloud. "My name is __ , and I'm an addict."
Tonight they remember their first 10 days of sobriety. The consensus: The first 10 days are like hauling yourself up from the darkness of an earthen pit by your fingernails. Gravity works against your every motion, then things get worse. "After the first 10 days," says Billy, "when the voices stop and you realize everyone's not talking about you, then suddenly you have to deal with what is. And that's a mess."
With the exception of Dagenhart, most of the men don't want their real names published (pseudonyms are printed in quotes). But they don't mind letting a reporter sit in on this Crystal Meth Anonymous meeting so the public can learn more about the drug's dangers.
"Once it shifts," says Tommy, "you never get back that original high. I'd go to the bathhouse, and I couldn't leave. I couldn't stop having sex. I'm fairly well read and educated, and the next thing I knew I looked like a hustler. Then I'd wake up-that's what coming down is like, waking up-and I'd have seven to 10 days of depression."
Darren tells the group he watches a lot of zombie movies. He thinks his fascination with ghouls stems from the similarity between zombiefication and crystal addiction. At first everyone in the group smiles at this observation. So does Darren. Then he enacts the transformation.
"First," he says, "you slacken all of your facial muscles."
He falls silent, his jaw muscles no longer working, and the rest of the group falls silent too, as Darren's performance turns creepy and sadly familiar.
His eyes grow hollow and hard. His head lolls forward like a drunk's. His limbs look heavy as stones sinking into mud. When he reanimates himself, the men in the room smile joylessly. So does Darren.
Then it's Dagenhart's turn. He laughs dryly. "My first 10 days of sobriety," he says wonderingly. "I had so many relapses. I had first 10 days all up and down the East Coast."
Dagenhart tells the group he recently went to the bathhouse for the first time in many months. He was horny and lonely so he went to Club Body Center at 12th and Chancellor streets. He didn't use crystal, though the drug was readily available. He disclosed his HIV status to everyone, though no one asked.
"The first four guys were gonna have sex with me without finding out my status," says Dagenhart. "Then when I told them, they turned away. But the fifth guy was on crystal. He was willing to do whatever I wanted. It figures."
The group laughs.
Dagenhart tossed CMA literature over the walls, into the private rooms where men were having sex.
"Did you get any reactions?" Phillip asks him.
"Yeah," says Dagenhart. "Some of them laughed."
"I Liked Being the Candy Man"
Dagenhart first used crystal meth in 1990, but his boyfriend at the time was a trust fund baby who favored cocaine. Those were great days for a man with Dagenhart's insecurities.
The relationship lasted four and a half years. His boyfriend had a beautiful place in the Hamptons. They ate in the finest restaurants. They bought whatever they wanted. "I was an arrogant little prick," says Dagenhart, "even though none of those possessions were ever really mine."
He tried crystal again in 1998 and quickly found himself addicted. As with many gay men, Dagenhart's use of crystal-also known as TINA-was inextricably linked with sex.
Crystal meth users meet on the Internet, in bathhouses and at cruising spots around town. Dagenhart says crystal is often readily available in bathhouses. "It's a great place for a dealer to set up shop," he says. "What police officer is going to go in there, wear a towel and risk getting his ass grabbed?"
On the Internet the transactions are arranged with the formality of a stock trade. PW found men looking to hook up for crystal and sex within seconds in AOL chat rooms, and in only relatively longer time periods through Craigslist and squirt.org, two online meeting places.
Men interested in combining anonymous sex and drug use employ the acronym PNP, which stands for "Party and Play." They rarely post pictures of their faces but often put up pictures of their penises. "This focus on the body among my people," says Dagenhart, "is so damaging. There's such a focus on huge muscles and enormous cocks."
Albert Luciano, a gay man who works as a substance rehabilitation and mental health therapist in the heart of the Gayborhood, estimates that maybe half his clients abuse crystal or suffer full-blown addiction. About 25 percent of his clients who use crystal tested positive for HIV since starting to use the drug.
"It's very sad," says Luciano. "These are young, smart men who could probably have lived out their whole lives without ever getting HIV if only they hadn't used crystal."
While Luciano acknowledges some people can take crystal once or twice a year and be done with it, he says the unique challenges of life as a homosexual can lead to the insecurity that propels casual use into addiction. And gay society itself is partly to blame.
"I have people come into my office and tell me they're depressed because they're not on the A-list," says Luciano. "This idea that they don't have six-pack abs, they don't make lots of money, they don't get invited to the best parties-I tell them: "What A-list? You're in Philadelphia.' Gay culture, and in part this is because the straight media puts out these images of gay men, is far too focused on material success."
Luciano's challenge is to help his clients focus on looking inside themselves for self-esteem, which is what Dagenhart had to learn. In New York he bounced from one high-paying job to the next in fashion and real estate, and became his friends' meth supplier.
"They all knew where to find it," says Dagenhart, who gave the drug away. "I liked being the candy man. But then I hit bottom. I had no money, and I was like, "My friends! Where are all my friends?'"
Dagenhart spent days at a time in New York City bathhouses, particularly the West Side Club. In a single weekend he might have anonymous, unprotected sex with as many as 20 or 30 men. He fell into a rhythm of spending every weekend at the bathhouse, then running to get tested for HIV on Monday.
A ritual developed: The doctor would usher Dagenhart into his office, then deliver the good news from behind his desk. But after one binge weekend the doctor sat down next to him. "I said, "You always sit behind your desk,'" recalls Dagenhart. ""Go sit behind your desk!'"
"I'm HIV Positive"
Dagenhart confessed his HIV diagnosis and his drug addiction to his mother-on Mother's Day 2000. From there his behavior grew increasingly bizarre.
He moved from New York, back to Richmond, Va., to Virginia Beach, to Baltimore, traveling frequently to Washington, D.C., and New York City to score drugs and visit bathhouses. He lost job after job. Whatever glamour the drug once held for him soon faded.
He did crystal before he got out of bed and made coffee. He began to excrete it through his pores. "It comes out very much in a rock crystal form," he says. "But in a weird way it still had a perverse appeal. I felt like a warrior-a drug warrior. It was the only thing I could say to legitimize myself. I was so ****ed up."
He hatched fantastic plans. There was always a project or business to start, but the drug destroys the creativity it fuels. His apartment in Baltimore was half painted. He moved and half unpacked. When the drug called, he left and never finished what he'd started.
High on crystal, he propositioned a straight man in Baltimore, who beat him for it, yielding only when Dagenhart told him, "I'm HIV positive, and some of my blood is going to get into those cuts on your hands."
Then 9/11 happened-but Dagenhart didn't know until four days later. "I'd been on a binge," he says, "and I turned on the radio, to NPR, and they were talking in these really solemn voices about the Twin Towers being destroyed. I thought, "What kind of bull**** is this?'"
Dagenhart started calling friends on Sept. 15 to try to confirm the terrorist attacks. He drove from Baltimore to New York and parked on the side of the road within site of the city's diminished skyline. He got out of the car and knelt down on the pavement as traffic whizzed by. A cop came up behind him and asked, "What are you doing?"
"Praying," Dagenhart replied.
He spent a little time in a holding cell over that incident and in a hospital, getting rehydrated. Crystal addicts flat-out forget to eat or drink. And there were other episodes.
He once knocked on a strange lady's door, thinking it was his mother's house-but his mother lived more than 100 miles away. He spent the night in the woods and defecated liquid, suffusing his clothes and skin with feces. And finally he stood on the side of a construction site in Washington, D.C. Dozens of workers operated machinery below in a deep pit cut out for a building's foundation. "I said, "If God exists, he'll catch me,'" says Dagenhart.
Then he jumped.
"Snorting Meth and F*CKing and Dancing and Singing"
Dagenhart fell 33 feet and landed on sand. Doctors put 24 steel sutures in his head. He ached all over. But he lived.
A friend, J.D. Talasek, picked Dagenhart up at the hospital and took him home. "He was a mess," says Talasek. "He was just really difficult to look at."
A photographer, Talasek shot the black-and-white photo of Dagenhart (see p. 1
Talasek saw Dagenhart through a number of crises, and marvels at the way his personality poked through the haze of crystal. "He could be very cold and manipulative when he was high," says Talasek. "But even when he spun these wild fantasies, they were usually about nonprofits he wanted to run, organizations designed to help other people. That told me he was worth saving."
Dagenhart called an old boyfriend, someone he hadn't seen since the worst phase of his addiction. "The truth is," says Dagenhart, "he was the one source of support I hadn't tapped out yet."
Jeffrey Auch and his new partner helped Dagenhart move his few remaining belongings from Baltimore to their home in Ardmore. Some 70 percent of substance abuse patients relapse in their first attempt at recovery. Dagenhart relapsed a few times in Philadelphia, and Auch had to kick him out.
"We hated to do it," says Auch. "When he wasn't using, you could see what a beautiful, intelligent person he is. But he used again, and we had a rule that he wouldn't."
Dagenhart moved from apartment to apartment, crashing with a boyfriend and people he'd met in recovery. He advertised his services as a "massage therapist," giving handjobs for money.
He spent many weekends at Club Body Center. "It was the same thing," he says. "I'd stay there all weekend, snorting meth and ****ing and dancing and singing."
Finally, he lost an apartment in Center City and his landlord put all his belongings on the sidewalk. "I lost my Social Security card," says Dagenhart. "My birth certificate. I lost everything that proved I existed."
"I Feel Like I Found a Home"
Dagenhart kneels on a hard tile floor, working the bristles of a scrub brush around the edges of a toilet. He's on the top floor of a five-story house on Spring Garden Street, cleaning a client's bathroom.
"I enjoy it," he says. "When I go home at the end of the day, I've done something good for other people in their lives. And I like that."
Once Dagenhart hit bottom, he started working for a friend cleaning houses. Then he started his own business, Angelic Cleaning, which has dozens of clients.
This Thurs., Feb. 10, will mark his first year of sobriety. The 12-step program has been good to him. Because the Catholic Church's prohibitions against homosexual behavior prevent Dagenhart from embracing his childhood religion, he was recently confirmed at St. Luke and the Epiphany, an Episcopal church. "Philadelphia's been good to me," says Dagenhart. "I really didn't know what I was going to do when I got here. But I feel like I found a home."
There might be an element of penance to his new profession, because for years he took so much from friends and family and gave so little. Penance of a kind was also why he sent out such a dramatic and personal Christmas card. He wanted the people who knew him when he was high and selfish to hear that he had learned his lesson.
"I clean other people's houses now," says Dagenhart. "And even though I'm proud of where I am today, it's also humbling. I've really been broken down."
He smiles as he says this. Since he admitted to his own humiliation, the world treats him more gently. And now that he no longer seeks a drug-induced high, bliss sometimes just comes to him.
Dagenhart recently read a passage in the New Testament about a demon-possessed boy. The boy's parents brought him before Jesus. Jesus cast the demon out. Sometimes emotion sits unexpressed for so long that it builds upon itself like layers of sediment, until only an earthquake can move it. When Dagenhart read this passage, he started to cry. "I hadn't cried in 10 years," he says. "The drug just saps your emotions."
On that night his tears flowed freely. He fled his apartment to breathe fresh air. But in the street he heard a voice. Voices spoke to him when he took crystal too. They told him he was worthless, that he'd been weighed, measured and found wanting. They also told him he was attractive-that everyone wanted him. But this voice was different. It asked him a question: "Have you ever bought yourself flowers?"
"No," he replied.
"Go buy yourself flowers," the voice said. "To show you love yourself."
So Dagenhart bought flowers. He knew how crazy an idea this was, but he figured the voice he was hearing was the voice of God. Not the God who preaches, but a practical, loving God. This practical God next told Dagenhart to go buy a sex toy. "You are going to be spending some time alone," this voice said. "Because you are not going to be hitting the bathhouse like you used to, go buy a sex toy."
Dagenhart made the purchase, then walked by a coffee shop, Crimson Moon at 20th and Sansom streets. As he passed the front door he felt his energy level rise. But the rush waned as he walked away. So he walked back.
He did this a couple times. Each time he stood in front of the door he felt ... high. Finally, he opened the door and a wash of calypso music bled right into his pores. He stood there and took in this feeling, scanning the room until his eyes fell upon a well-dressed black man. He looked positively regal, with his legs crossed, holding a walking stick and wearing a fantastic broad-brimmed black hat.
Some may read this story, a tale about a recovering addict who wound up having conversations with God, and decide that this was some kind of delusion or flashback. When Dagenhart was on crystal his mind raced on a tidal wave of amphetamine and endorphins. He remained aware of his surroundings, but they moved too fast for him to appreciate-like scenery passing outside a high-speed train. The rush he felt was synthetic and temporary, its positive effects fading until he could score again.
But when he stood inside this coffee shop, staring at this beautiful man and listening to this music, he felt the presence of the divine. The moment was real.
"Thank you," he told the man.
In return the man nodded once, solemnly, then stood up and walked out the door. It was as if he'd been waiting for Dagenhart to thank him. Now he could go.
"I feel liberated," says Dagenhart now. "My whole life I was so caught up in trying to be somebody. It was all about material things-sex, drugs, possessions. There were so many people I didn't actually respect. But what they thought meant everything to me. I was pathetic. But I needed to get through all those things to be where I am now. And I love where I am now. After all this time, I feel free."
Dagenhart still has his concerns. He declared bankruptcy during his recovery. There are old debts to pay and a business to build. Of course he also still has HIV, and just remembering to take his pills every day is a chore.
He's also still repairing old relationships, which is why he worried a bit about whether his family would approve of the Jay Dagenhart they met through his Christmas card.
It's true, one of his aunts did call his mother and say, "Did he have to write about the bathhouse?" But when he traveled to Richmond for the holidays, his relatives approached him with a new tenderness and love. His uncles, some of them policemen, walked up and shook his hand.
"They'd pump my hand and look right into my eyes," says Dagenhart, remembering. "And it was the way they looked at me that told me everything I needed to know."
He'd admitted who he was and what he'd been through-and in turn he got respect. It was a wonderful lesson for Dagenhart, who feels vindicated in his desire to share his story.
"I think it was an appropriate Christmas card from me," he says. "Because I didn't find God, I didn't find the spirit by being given anything. I found it by losing it all. I found it by suffering. Once all of the material **** was taken away, I found out who I really am. And it's a gift."
#87
Posted: 2/16/05 at 8:47am
"Nobody in your doctor's office is going to tell you that unprotected oral without swallowing is risk-free, but I think most of us can admit that if it was that easy to transmit HIV that way, most of us probably wouldn't be here typing on this website."
Very true but keep in mind that it does happen. As my doctor told me, the chances are about the same as winning the lottery. However, people do win the lottery. We all decide what we are and are not willing to give up sexually and take some risks beased on those decisions.
My biggest issue in all of this is the attitude that "Nobody has the right to spread this disease." It's true that if you are poz, you have responsibility to others. However, you can only take so much responsibility for someone elses behavior. The fact is that if you engage in any type of sexual behavior beyond just touching, there is a risk, no matter how small and it is your responsibility.
The blame is predominantly on those of us who are poz not to infect those innocents who have been good and have remained untainted by this disease....that attitude always comes from those that are negative and say in their personal ads and on internet hook up sites "I'm neg, UB2"
How can anyone be so stupid as to beleive that if I say I'm negative, they must be safe? What if I don't even know yet? People have a very distirted way of looking at the disease, sex and peronal responsibility. I see it even in this thread. Some of the comments shock me not beacsue of what they say but because of what they seem to imply...what is easily read between the lines.
I'm also shocked at the number of comments I see stating that people who know they are poz need to be responsible for not spreading the disease. This is a big problem for people who are poz, the idea that they are responsible for everyone else that they have sex with. I think this contributes to some of the destructive attitude. If I engaged in something that I knew held some amount of risk, I can't blame anyone but myself.
I have to take exception with raggy's belief that people who are poz should not be having sex. If that is what some people feel, that is fine for them to make that choice. I have a partner who has decided that he will take a certain amount of risk and he is in the field of studying HIV/AIDS and therefore quite knowledgable about the disease and it's transmission. I didn't feel comfortable with any amount of risk but finally decided that given his understanding of the disease and the fact that he is a grown man able to make decisions about his life, it would have to be his decision.
Most of the people who have posted here in have been very clear in stating that thye are not poz (that's something people are always very clear about...don't want anyone to think otherwise) so they have never been in the position of hearing that horrible news, wondering what their life would be like from that day on, how long their life may be and finally getting on with their life. It's a very different perspective from the other side. It's very easy to say, I will never have sex if I become poz. Hopefully, you will never be in the position to realize that that is not a very realistic statement.
Very true but keep in mind that it does happen. As my doctor told me, the chances are about the same as winning the lottery. However, people do win the lottery. We all decide what we are and are not willing to give up sexually and take some risks beased on those decisions.
My biggest issue in all of this is the attitude that "Nobody has the right to spread this disease." It's true that if you are poz, you have responsibility to others. However, you can only take so much responsibility for someone elses behavior. The fact is that if you engage in any type of sexual behavior beyond just touching, there is a risk, no matter how small and it is your responsibility.
The blame is predominantly on those of us who are poz not to infect those innocents who have been good and have remained untainted by this disease....that attitude always comes from those that are negative and say in their personal ads and on internet hook up sites "I'm neg, UB2"
How can anyone be so stupid as to beleive that if I say I'm negative, they must be safe? What if I don't even know yet? People have a very distirted way of looking at the disease, sex and peronal responsibility. I see it even in this thread. Some of the comments shock me not beacsue of what they say but because of what they seem to imply...what is easily read between the lines.
I'm also shocked at the number of comments I see stating that people who know they are poz need to be responsible for not spreading the disease. This is a big problem for people who are poz, the idea that they are responsible for everyone else that they have sex with. I think this contributes to some of the destructive attitude. If I engaged in something that I knew held some amount of risk, I can't blame anyone but myself.
I have to take exception with raggy's belief that people who are poz should not be having sex. If that is what some people feel, that is fine for them to make that choice. I have a partner who has decided that he will take a certain amount of risk and he is in the field of studying HIV/AIDS and therefore quite knowledgable about the disease and it's transmission. I didn't feel comfortable with any amount of risk but finally decided that given his understanding of the disease and the fact that he is a grown man able to make decisions about his life, it would have to be his decision.
Most of the people who have posted here in have been very clear in stating that thye are not poz (that's something people are always very clear about...don't want anyone to think otherwise) so they have never been in the position of hearing that horrible news, wondering what their life would be like from that day on, how long their life may be and finally getting on with their life. It's a very different perspective from the other side. It's very easy to say, I will never have sex if I become poz. Hopefully, you will never be in the position to realize that that is not a very realistic statement.
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#88
Posted: 2/16/05 at 8:59am
Orion - your post went right to the core of something I was thinking about a lot yesterday while this discussion went on. I had posted at one point that I thought people who knowingly transmitted the virus should be held liable. It actually did occur to me very shortly after posting how very wrong that was. Obviously something about the statement bothered me, because I couldn't get it out of my head.
What occurred to me is exactly what you just said - people engaging in sex have individual responsibility - it can't be handed off to someone else.
I'm sorry I made that statement. This, as everything else is in life, is a learning curve - sometimes with treacherous bends.
Along these lines, though, I kind of feel that in cases of rape, it potentially could be an agravating factor. But I guess that would involve an investigation of 'intent' - and who can ever really know.
Anyway, I just wanted to add that I think you had a very valid point - presented with the most controlled anger, I might add. As one who was making those inappropriate remarks, I'm sorry.
What occurred to me is exactly what you just said - people engaging in sex have individual responsibility - it can't be handed off to someone else.
I'm sorry I made that statement. This, as everything else is in life, is a learning curve - sometimes with treacherous bends.
Along these lines, though, I kind of feel that in cases of rape, it potentially could be an agravating factor. But I guess that would involve an investigation of 'intent' - and who can ever really know.
Anyway, I just wanted to add that I think you had a very valid point - presented with the most controlled anger, I might add. As one who was making those inappropriate remarks, I'm sorry.
#89
Posted: 2/16/05 at 9:17am
Good points Orion, for a theatre board I thought the posts were shockingly absent in their ability to walk a mile in somebody elses shoes.
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#90
Posted: 2/16/05 at 9:22am
Sister - empathy isn't always easy - especially when fear is involved. God knows this topic touches people in ways that most aren't comfortable with. As Namo pointed out, it has to do with very basic needs - and the answers are never easy ones.
I do hope, though, that no one really has maliciousness in their intent. I'd be sad to think that, when all was said and done, I had so little awareness of what others experience in life.
I do hope, though, that no one really has maliciousness in their intent. I'd be sad to think that, when all was said and done, I had so little awareness of what others experience in life.
#91
Posted: 2/16/05 at 9:27am
There was no anger, controlled or otherwise, intended. There is a lot of frustration though. Like I said, my partner is in the field of research and, as part of that, maintains statistics on how and why HIV continues to spread. It's amazing how willig people are to place all the responsibility on others.
The afore mentioned ads and pick up sites are a prime example. The attitude seems to be "I'm not going to be stupid enough to sleep with you if you honestly tell me that you are positive, However, I will be stupid enough to make an internet hook up if you tell me you're negative."
That attitude does two very harmful things. One being the obvious willingness to take certain risks based on someone else's report which may or may not be accurate. Someone may tell you they are negative and be very sincere in saying that, not realizing that they were infected two wwkes ago by someone with whom they hooked up. Secondly, it ostricizes people who are positive and that attitude makes it more difficult, I imagine, to be honest about ones status.
Everybody needs to take responsibility for their own actions and needs to realize that any sexual behavior carries a certain amount of risk. The risk may be low but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist at all.
It's been decades now. We all know better. We all what is and isn't a high risk and we all make our decisions. There is no excuse for anyone unknowingly putting themselves at risk.
The afore mentioned ads and pick up sites are a prime example. The attitude seems to be "I'm not going to be stupid enough to sleep with you if you honestly tell me that you are positive, However, I will be stupid enough to make an internet hook up if you tell me you're negative."
That attitude does two very harmful things. One being the obvious willingness to take certain risks based on someone else's report which may or may not be accurate. Someone may tell you they are negative and be very sincere in saying that, not realizing that they were infected two wwkes ago by someone with whom they hooked up. Secondly, it ostricizes people who are positive and that attitude makes it more difficult, I imagine, to be honest about ones status.
Everybody needs to take responsibility for their own actions and needs to realize that any sexual behavior carries a certain amount of risk. The risk may be low but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist at all.
It's been decades now. We all know better. We all what is and isn't a high risk and we all make our decisions. There is no excuse for anyone unknowingly putting themselves at risk.
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#92
Posted: 2/16/05 at 9:49am
For me responsible behavior equates to honesty. While Orion's point about those who are positive not being completely responsible for others behavior is valid, it isn't the real issue for me. Those who are positive and are looking for sexual partners (positive or negative) do, in my opinion, have a responsibilty to inform the other person of their status regardless of whether the other person asks or not. Truth in advertising laws, lemon laws, real estate disclosure laws, etc. exist to protect the consumer, and sex is a consumer good. Not filling in the blank about your status on "dating" sites doesn't relieve you of responsibility. I can't tell you how many men I have encountered who finagle there way around answering that question online. When meeting someone in person who I am contemplating having sex with I always ask them their status, POINT BLANK. I can't tell you how many times I have not gone further based upon the response, regardless of the answer. Looking into someone's eyes, watching body language and just the tenth of a second delay to respond tells me all that I need to know. It's about honesty! When I have encountered those who are positive and then asked them why they did not disclose that fact until asked, some of their responses have have been staggering to me. They don't see it as untruthful, misleading or in some cases necessary to reveal that fact. I've heard, "I always use a condom", "I pull out before I cum", "You can't get it if you swallow", etc. The bottom line is AIDS kills, there is not yet a cure, you are potentially threatening someones health and well being, you have a responsibility to share that information. What the other persons decides to do given that information is then their responsibility.
#93
Posted: 2/16/05 at 9:58am
This may sound simplistic, but one of the things I worry about is the complacency that settles in when people feel safe. I'm not referring to situations where individuals know that one is sero-positive... I'm talking about new relationships that settle into established relationships, where care is taken initially, but falls by the wayside just by virtue of becoming comfortable with each other.
I met an HIV positive woman about a month ago who told me her story. She used to work with AIDS patients and she knew the ins and outs of disease transmission. She began living with a man five years ago, and on general principle, practiced safe sex for the first couple of years (her partner had a past history of IV drug abuse but had never been tested), but gradually got lax about using precautions. A year ago, she noticed that he wasn't looking well and had lost a lot of weight. He still wouldn't go for testing, so she did. He has AIDS and she is now positive. What keeps echoing in my head is how she kept repeating that the thing that really kills her is that she, of all people, knew better...and she screwed up anyway.
There is a huge gap between knowing something and acting on it. And therein lies a major problem with HIV prevention. As several have already pointed out, education tends to be framed in an unrealistic tone. Sexual activity, both as an expression of love, and platonically...just because it feels good, is basic part of the human physical lexicon (unless held at bay by some really intense religious or moral restrictions...but that's a different issue...)
I met an HIV positive woman about a month ago who told me her story. She used to work with AIDS patients and she knew the ins and outs of disease transmission. She began living with a man five years ago, and on general principle, practiced safe sex for the first couple of years (her partner had a past history of IV drug abuse but had never been tested), but gradually got lax about using precautions. A year ago, she noticed that he wasn't looking well and had lost a lot of weight. He still wouldn't go for testing, so she did. He has AIDS and she is now positive. What keeps echoing in my head is how she kept repeating that the thing that really kills her is that she, of all people, knew better...and she screwed up anyway.
There is a huge gap between knowing something and acting on it. And therein lies a major problem with HIV prevention. As several have already pointed out, education tends to be framed in an unrealistic tone. Sexual activity, both as an expression of love, and platonically...just because it feels good, is basic part of the human physical lexicon (unless held at bay by some really intense religious or moral restrictions...but that's a different issue...)
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Updated On: 2/16/05 at 09:58 AM
#94
Posted: 2/16/05 at 10:10am
I wasn't saying that someone should not be honest but, let's face it, some people aren't. Some people don't even know yet.
What you describe, SOMMS, is exactly the type of thing that infuriates me. This attitude that if I ask, I've done what I need to do to protect myself. So, if I tell you that I am postive, you choose to not have sex with me and instead go off with someone who says they are negative (In this case when I say you I don't mean you personally but anyone). What if they are lying or have no idea yet that they are positive?
What it comes down to is that you shouldn't even need to ask. This whole idea of asking creates a false sense of safety which helps spread this disease. It also creates the idea that i am not responsible...you are because you lied or didn't know. You should just approach everyone as though they are positive. To do otherwise is taking a stupid risk that you need to be responsible for.
Perhaps, if everyone approached everyone else as though they were positive you would find taht people wouldn't have to attempt to hide their status. Nobody that i have ever met who is positive wants to speread the disease. Yet, they do still want physical closeness. Don't take the attitude that when someone skirts the question that they are trying to be evil and infect you. It could be that they are tired of being tretaed like lepers within their own community. Just stop asking and start protecting yourself everytime.
What you describe, SOMMS, is exactly the type of thing that infuriates me. This attitude that if I ask, I've done what I need to do to protect myself. So, if I tell you that I am postive, you choose to not have sex with me and instead go off with someone who says they are negative (In this case when I say you I don't mean you personally but anyone). What if they are lying or have no idea yet that they are positive?
What it comes down to is that you shouldn't even need to ask. This whole idea of asking creates a false sense of safety which helps spread this disease. It also creates the idea that i am not responsible...you are because you lied or didn't know. You should just approach everyone as though they are positive. To do otherwise is taking a stupid risk that you need to be responsible for.
Perhaps, if everyone approached everyone else as though they were positive you would find taht people wouldn't have to attempt to hide their status. Nobody that i have ever met who is positive wants to speread the disease. Yet, they do still want physical closeness. Don't take the attitude that when someone skirts the question that they are trying to be evil and infect you. It could be that they are tired of being tretaed like lepers within their own community. Just stop asking and start protecting yourself everytime.
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#95
Posted: 2/16/05 at 10:24am
SOMMS, in what paper was that article published?
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#96
Posted: 2/16/05 at 10:49am
In actuality O, you and I are on the exact same page. I do approach having sex from the perspective that everyone could be positive, and I take the proper precautions. I am well read and educated on the topic. I have volunteered as a rape/crisis counselor for over 20 years and have had hundreds of hours of HIV/AIDS education. I have lost dozens of friends to AIDS--I learned all I could when they were dying to be the best support system to them that I could be. I have volunteered as an AIDS Buddy; I have seen the disease on a day to day basis. I know the risks and I assume complete responsiblity for my actions. I also understand that someone might not know their status and might think that they are answering honestly and that I might make a decision based on that assumption. The follow up question to their status is then "When where you last tested?" I don't have sex with those who haven't been tested. I don't have sex with those who haven't recently been tested. Does testing decrease the risk? No, but it does decrease the percentage. I am tested every three months. Does that mean I know my status at all times. Again, no, but it does give me more information with which to make decisions and to give the most honest reply that I can to someone about my status.
My point is still that because people lie, you need to ask questions. And, I don't just mean about HIV and STDs. I ask about marital status, alcohol and drug addiction, and past partners. Dating for me has become akin to those marketing surveys at the mall.
Regarding those who are positive, my experience has not been the same as yours. I have met positive people who want to infect others. I have met people who are positive and drug and alcohol addicted and don't remember what they do or don't do. I have met people who are not equiped to deal with their status and who choose to ignore the consequences of their actions. You can find many ads on the sites from men who tell you that they are positive and are looking to "plant" and "harvest". They know what they are doing. There are also some people out their who want to become infected. Self-esteem issues within our community lead many to make self-destructive decisions.
In all areas of life, if you want my empathy, if you want my support, if you want my loyalty, you have to be honest with me. Revealing your status doesn't cause me to be judgemental about you as a person, but it does insure my ability to trust you and to respect you as a person.
My point is still that because people lie, you need to ask questions. And, I don't just mean about HIV and STDs. I ask about marital status, alcohol and drug addiction, and past partners. Dating for me has become akin to those marketing surveys at the mall.
Regarding those who are positive, my experience has not been the same as yours. I have met positive people who want to infect others. I have met people who are positive and drug and alcohol addicted and don't remember what they do or don't do. I have met people who are not equiped to deal with their status and who choose to ignore the consequences of their actions. You can find many ads on the sites from men who tell you that they are positive and are looking to "plant" and "harvest". They know what they are doing. There are also some people out their who want to become infected. Self-esteem issues within our community lead many to make self-destructive decisions.
In all areas of life, if you want my empathy, if you want my support, if you want my loyalty, you have to be honest with me. Revealing your status doesn't cause me to be judgemental about you as a person, but it does insure my ability to trust you and to respect you as a person.
#97
Posted: 2/16/05 at 11:01am
Rath, the article was last weeks cover story in "Philadelphia Weekly". A new issue went online yesterday, but they have an archive.
The web address is www.philadelphiaweekly.com
My dear friend Bill did the portrait of the articles subject that was used on the cover.
The web address is www.philadelphiaweekly.com
My dear friend Bill did the portrait of the articles subject that was used on the cover.
#98
Posted: 2/16/05 at 11:02am
It's an incredibly enlightening article - it should be picked up by AP or Reuters.
Have I ever shown you my Shattered Dreams box? It's in my Disappointment Closet. - Marge Simpson
#99
Posted: 2/16/05 at 11:11am
There was a much shorter article about the crystal meth issue and him in yesterday's Philadelphia Inquirer.
#100
Posted: 2/16/05 at 11:21am
Though I don't have stats, it's a pretty safe bet that most people who transmit HIV are unaware of their HIV status.
It has been said that the first time somebody rejects you when you tell them honestly that you are positive is really awful, and that it gets worse every subsequent time. And guys are frequently quite cruel in the forms that their rejection takes.
It has been said that the first time somebody rejects you when you tell them honestly that you are positive is really awful, and that it gets worse every subsequent time. And guys are frequently quite cruel in the forms that their rejection takes.
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