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Tonight's Democratic Debate: Hillary and Obama BOTH Won
#50the carpet bagger and al qaeda's sleeper candidate do it onstage live
Posted: 2/1/08 at 3:13pmyou can read his little lips: allah akhbar.
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
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#51Tonight's Democratic Debate: Hillary and Obama BOTH Won
Posted: 2/1/08 at 3:16pm
This is the photo of John Sibelius from his website:
#52Tonight's Democratic Debate: Hillary and Obama BOTH Won
Posted: 2/1/08 at 3:18pm
"i have never once voted for a republican, but if Hillary is the nominee I will absolutely vote for the republican (save Huckabee who doesn't have a shot in hell anyway). I think having Hillary would not only be a disaster for the country, but I also think she will set the feminist movement back two decades or so."
You honestly think Clinton would be a disaster as opposed to McCain or Romney???!?!?
The opposite of creation isn't war, it's stagnation.
#53Tonight's Democratic Debate: Hillary and Obama BOTH Won
Posted: 2/1/08 at 3:28pm
Honestly, Kathleen Sebelius landed on my radar sometime back but the incident in the linked article was what won her my early vote. The woman is a highly successful 2-term Democratic governor of a red state in the midwest. She's Hillary without the baggage, especially the WAR vote.
Bush/Cheney Go After Sebelius
Phyllis Rogers Stone
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#54Tonight's Democratic Debate: Hillary and Obama BOTH Won
Posted: 2/1/08 at 3:30pmIs Hillary planning to curtail reproductive rights? Is her platform anti-choice or something, or was that just a comment that was supposed to sound clever but is just deeply uninformed and misogynistic?
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#55Tonight's Democratic Debate: Hillary and Obama BOTH Won
Posted: 2/1/08 at 3:32pm
Oh YEAH! She's perfect except for talking like an automaton on back up power, zero name recognition, not being able to put together a sentence that an average person can decipher and that hideous homophobe-son thing. But hey, she'll help us carry Kansas, huh?
Puhlease. What you don't know about politics could fill a Halliburton Supply Depot.
#56Tonight's Democratic Debate: Hillary and Obama BOTH Won
Posted: 2/1/08 at 3:41pmJoe, don't be mean. Javero is a political genius, in his own estimation.
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#57Tonight's Democratic Debate: Hillary and Obama BOTH Won
Posted: 2/1/08 at 3:46pmWell I'll admit he had me fooled. He wrote so passionately about Sibelius that once I realized he didn't mean the composer, I thought she might be good. I was stunned, to say the least to see her SOTU performance.
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#58Tonight's Democratic Debate: Hillary and Obama BOTH Won
Posted: 2/1/08 at 3:47pmHilary looks like a Bobble-Head. Her head never stops nodding up and down. What's her problem? She looks like an idiot, all the time. Of course, she never, ever says anything of any substance. Really, what did she say?
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#59Tonight's Democratic Debate: Hillary and Obama BOTH Won
Posted: 2/1/08 at 3:51pmI thought her command last night made Obama look a bit childish.
#60Tonight's Democratic Debate: Hillary and Obama BOTH Won
Posted: 2/1/08 at 4:01pm
I don't claim to know all there is to know about politics. But I do recall an anectdote which gets little play on this board. There once was a very young somewhat obscure governor of the small state of Arkansas who lost his gubertorial re-election bid before being re-elected to a 2nd term later.
In his presidential bid, he floundered in the IA caucus and first couple of Democratic primaries later sweeping the floor with the competition in the major SOUTHERN PRIMARIES. He eventually went on to win the party's nomination. From there he picked up a young tike named Al Gore along the way and then went on to win a ticket to the White House.
Now, I don't claim to be some political savvant but if memory serves he's the last muthafriggin' Democrat to have digs over at 1600 Penn Ave NW (DC), political spouses, offspring, and pets notwithstanding. Bill was also extremely popular with both party elites and the rank-and-file across the board.
Those same party elites and a substantial portion the Democratic base this time around have somehow come out against the proposed Clinton co-presidency. Perhaps the detractors know something that this simpleton doesn't or maybe I can just take the easy road and pronouce them all a bunch of misogynists.
#61Tonight's Democratic Debate: Hillary and Obama BOTH Won
Posted: 2/1/08 at 4:09pmI def agree with that last paragraph, javero. We can dislike Hillary without being a misogynist--Maybe not ME, but in theory.
#62the carpet bagger and al qaeda's sleeper candidate do it onstage live
Posted: 2/1/08 at 4:24pmnope, lil, not gonna work. those who dislike her are misogynists, those dislike him are racists and those who dislike the white haired guy are ageists.
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#63Tonight's Democratic Debate: Hillary and Obama BOTH Won
Posted: 2/1/08 at 4:24pm
Final thoughts on Kathleen Sebelius...
Perhaps her recent response to the SOTU address didn't light the collective fire of all the Dems onboard here but please review the comments posted at the link to the video footage on youtube.
Kansans (and many mid-westerners) adore her which translates into popular votes in the ballot boxes. It's easier to package an obscure governor for the national spotlight than to make a highly divisive national politician palatable to voters at the state level. I don't recall any mention of an anti-Obama or anti-Edwards or anti-Richardson vote in the context of the primaries EVER.
The anti-you-know-who vote will be even more visceral in the run up to the general election.
I'm bowing out of this thread now. Next!
#64Tonight's Democratic Debate: Hillary and Obama BOTH Won
Posted: 2/1/08 at 4:26pmThat's exactly what I said, javero--Hillary is to the Repubs what Nixon is to the Dems. Like chum for the sharks.
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#65the carpet bagger and al qaeda's sleeper candidate do it onstage live
Posted: 2/1/08 at 4:26pmI don't think that everyone who doesn't like her is a misogynist, but I think it was misogynistic to say electing her would set the women's movement back twenty years.
#66the carpet bagger and al qaeda's sleeper candidate do it onstage live
Posted: 2/1/08 at 4:30pm
And 1987 was a bad year for hair and clothes.
And I know it's 2008--but just barely.
Updated On: 2/1/08 at 04:30 PM
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#67the carpet bagger and al qaeda's sleeper candidate do it onstage live
Posted: 2/1/08 at 4:35pm
I'm not really sure what the point was to the Bill Clinton story- but he certainly wasn't that popular with everyone when the contest started. He had PLENTY of opposition: Tom Harkin, Jerry Brown, Bob Kerry, Eugene McCarthy, Doug Wilder- I think Ralph Nader even ran in the primary. And as I recall it, it was only after his performance in the Democratic debates before the Illinois Primary (Which he subsequently won) that he was considered a contender.
So there are people who don't like Hilary. Yep. Sure are. That's the way a primary is. I heard Randi Rhodes on Air America this week observe: "In the primary you fall in love. Then in the General Election, you fall in line."
#68the carpet bagger and al qaeda's sleeper candidate do it onstage live
Posted: 2/1/08 at 4:39pmheh, in '04 the soon-to-be-nominee for the party of devil worshipping child sacrificers was quoted similarly about jfk's campaign, "you don't have to fall in love. you just have to fall in line."
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#69Tonight's Democratic Debate: Hillary and Obama BOTH Won
Posted: 2/1/08 at 4:47pm
Huh?
Sometimes, late in the afternoon or evening, your posts become impenetrable.
#70the carpet bagger and al qaeda's sleeper candidate do it onstage live
Posted: 2/1/08 at 4:49pmin 2004, the junior senator from new york was quoted as above remarking about the campaign of theresa heinz's hubby.
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#72Tonight's Democratic Debate: Hillary and Obama BOTH Won
Posted: 2/1/08 at 4:58pm
I thought her command last night made Obama look a bit childish.
I agree with this. She looked presidential and unrattled at all times and spoke very well, whereas there were times when Obama looked nervous or unsettled. I wouldn't say childish as I thought that he carried himself very well on the whole, but her performance wowed me.
My issue is kind of that... Obama inspires hope and that's obviously so important, but I think that Clinton inspires confidence, both based on her past experience and the way she carries herself. I wish there were something a little more concrete to go on with Obama.
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#73Tonight's Democratic Debate: Hillary and Obama BOTH Won
Posted: 2/1/08 at 5:00pmWhat past experience? First Lady?
#74Tonight's Democratic Debate: Hillary and Obama BOTH Won
Posted: 2/1/08 at 5:00pm
I'm still not quite sure how her husband's experience has become HER experience.
I mean, my dad has worked at the water plant for 16 years and they've been married for over 35, but I don't think that qualifies my mom to run the place.
Updated On: 2/1/08 at 05:00 PM
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