Tonight's Democratic Debate: Hillary and Obama BOTH Won — Page 4

i don't think what i wrote was misogynistic at all. As a woman and a feminist I truly believe that she would and DOES set back the feminist movement. This is a woman who for most of her campaign has tried to rid every ounce of femininity from her persona EXCEPT when she needs it dearly. Patronizing comments like "i'm your girl" and crying for the first time when you're losing in the primary races only sets the women's movement back. Saying those things and crying in public IS FINE, if she didn't work so hard to shun those images beforehand. I want the first female president to be a woman who is unafraid to act feminine at ALL times, not just at the poll-tested most desperate times...

"only sets the women's movement back."

No dear, Phyllis Schlaffly and Ann Coulter set the women's movement back. But you do remind me of many so-called feminists who don't seem to be able to wrap their brains around the notion of progressive change and evolution. Crying is "fine" but somehow it's disingenuous to you because she was, according to you, trying to butch it up, which is inherently somehow anti-feminist to you? I know more than a few butch dykes who'd love to hear you say that to their faces.

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No, she didn't actually CRY, but she did display emotion only when she thought she was losing. Did she get emotional over Katrina or Bill's trial or the war or the battle for Homeland Security money? Nope--just when she thought she might not get what she wants.

I heard a newscaster describe her as being like Reese in ELECTION. Pretty accurate I think.

she cries or i guess more accurately sheds crocodile tears

No, neither is accurate.

Actually...I don't think she's being 'masculine' at all. I do think she's portraying herself as a capable, intelligent, strong leader. If YOU associate those qualities with 'masculinity,' well...that's your thing, isn't it?

I think she's very much womanly.

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Mitt Romney turns on the waterworks when he sees a Hummel figurine. Does that mean he's set back the Mormon movement 20 years?

"doesn't raise buckets full of cash for the other side."

That is why I am voting for Barack!

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Uh Barack Obama has also served in the Illinois Senate. He has more experience than say George W Bush had....or Abe Lincoln for that matter.

The only requirement is that you are 35 and Born in America. He's qualified.

I didn't say that he wasn't qualified, and I know that he was a state Senator in Illinois. I am simply speaking as to a factor (one of several) that impacts my choice between the two candidates in question.

I don't really understand how it's an arguable point that Clinton doesn't have more national (which is a factor to me, and may not be important at all to others) experience than Obama. But you can take that the other way around, as Obama's campaign has, that he's a relative outsider who hasn't been as entangled in the web of the Washington political scene, especially since people are unhappy and want a change. You don't need national experience and many Presidents (including Bill Clinton) were fine without it, but in the current political climate, I don't know if I'm totally comfortable with a newcomer. Maybe it's just that Obama's rise to prominence has been so meteoric and I'm worried that he's more rhetoric than results.

But as I've said before, this is really a no-lose situation for me since I think that either candidate would do well in the White House.

Updated On: 2/1/08 at 06:14 PM

namo, you don't get it and your pretending to do so is just sad. you're never going to be a misogynist so just give it up and leave it to the pros.

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oh lord, have you got her wearing the nipple spurs again?

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oh stop playing coy.

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Everyone knows that if a candidate cries even a second past 2:37 PM on August 4th a year prior to the election, it's phony and insulting.

Unless they're wearing what's in PJ's picture. Then it's okay to cry at any time and we feminists compleeeeetely understand.

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Updated On: 2/1/08 at 11:06 PM