Trayvon Martin — Page 5

Also, "no longer posing a threat" would mean he had posed a threat initially. Returning to his vehicle - he should never have gotten out of it and pursued him in the first place.

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SonofRobbie, I think what you might be raising is the interesting possibility, that, theoretically, ad absurdum, the stand your ground doctrine might arguably permit two people who reasonably believe themselves mutually in danger from the other might both be lawfully justified in killing the other. Culpability wouldn't attach to either with it not mattering who was the intitial aggressor (there is, of course, much discussion about whether that was ever the intended application of the law, and whether "stand your ground" concerns have anything to do with the decision not to arrest Zimmerman, or whether that's a red-herring, etc., but be that as it may...) and it not mattering whether either had an opportunity to retreat (which is, of course, no longer an obligation with the "stand your ground" doctrine, although it has been in traditional justification jurisprudence, at least when the occurrence is outside the accused's home).

I am not jumping to any conclusion that that has anything to do with the facts in Sanford, far from it. But the possibility that both parties to an altercation - whether it results in death or not - might be exculpated by "stand your ground" principles is fascinating (of course when one of the parties is dead, that party can not be prosecuted (except metaphorically), so that person's exculpation is not an issue).

But it is certainly alarming that "stand your ground" might give rise to such an interpretation.

When looked at this through this old-fashioned rugged frontier prism, "stand your ground" makes me wonder, this:

What's next? Will they bring back dueling?

Updated On: 3/28/12 at 12:02 PM

Are there any statistics on how much cases of Justifiable Homicide has increased in Florida since Stand Your Ground was instituted?

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According to this, it's more than doubled.
Justifiable homicide and other info

Reg - great minds and all!

info from the city/police department

http://sanfordfl.gov/investigation/trayvon_martin.html

http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/Zimmerman_Martin_shooting.pdf

misc press releases: http://sanfordfl.gov/right/press_releases.html

Today The Daily Beast wrote up some of the neighborhood burglary police reports with some additional info and comments.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/28/zimmerman-s-twin-lakes-community-was-on-edge-before-trayvon-shooting.html

This was after the EMTs cleaned him up at the scene. You can see the cop was checking out the back of his head at 0:55.

"Zimmerman, 28, suffered a broken nose, a gash to his head, and other injuries, according to Sanford police reports. He traveled to the police station that night to give his account of events and then went home. Sanford police confirm that he did not warrant medical attention at the scene and did not seek medical attention until the next day."



Gash and a Broken Nose?

The license plate on the car isn't even readable. There's no way blood on his shirt is going to be visible in a video of such crap quality.

no arrest = no booking photo

You'll just have to wait for the grand jury IF it takes place, otherwise you'll have to wait until the current investigations say something.

I wouldn't be surprised if he woke up with massive black eyes (or a splitting headache) that scared him into going to a hospital the next day.

There's no reason to believe one would have been taken. There should be doctor or hospital documentation but anyone who leaks that would be in even bigger trouble than whoever leaked this video out of the PD.