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#76

re: War of the Worlds/SPOILER

I loved the movie. The ending was a ittle to pat for me... But thats the way War Of The Worlds has always ended. Fun Movie.
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#77

re: War of the Worlds/SPOILER

"Okay, I know people are in a frenzy, hurt, heartbroken, confused, dead..after all they're being attacked unexpectedly by alien stalkers. But do these people honestly beleive that putting up all these signs that stretched till eternity and back is going to help? I understand that in time of commotion people want their loved ones back, but I'm sorry, no one is going to pay attention to anybody else but their own selves and family. I don't know really how to describe it without being mean, I just didn't really understand that."

I wondered the same thing. The situation in the movie was really much more widespread and seemingly hopeless compared to 9/11. It didn't really make sense. I doubt people would've had the time to make the flyers while they were running for their lives.

"The gods who nurse this universe think little of mortals' cares. They sit in crowds on exclusive clouds and laugh at our love affairs. I might have had a real romance if they'd given me a chance. I loved him, but he didn't love me. I wanted him, but he didn't want me. Then the gods had a spree and indulged in another whim. Now he loves me, but I don't love him." - Cole Porter

Updated On: 7/2/05 at 12:42 PM

#78

re: War of the Worlds/SPOILER

Exactly!
"It's a great feeling of power to be naked in front of people. We're happy to watch actual incredible graphic violence and gore, but as soon as somebody's naked it seems like the public goes a bit bananas about the whole thing."
#79

re: War of the Worlds/SPOILER

I thought the movie was a steaming pile of sh!t.
#80

re: War of the Worlds/SPOILER

OK. We saw it this afternoon and for the first two-thirds of the film, I was genuinely moved to tears several times. I know it's probably because I am going through some tough stuff in my personal life, but I gotta tell ya - those similarities to 9/11 really did me in. Spoilers:
When Rachel screams as they're getting into the only moving vehicle: "Was it a Terrorist?" I immediately was set on edge. And from then on, things would happen that simply made me so upset - I've never been fond of films that have very violent imagery, but usually when it's science fiction or horror, I can handle it much better (as opposed to a real life type of violence, as in The Godfather - where you know this could really happen)...but when the crowd forced them to give up the car so they could try to escape in it - I was just freaked out...because this is exactly how people react in these situation - terror does crazy things to the human psyche and these people were willing to kill their fellow man just to get away from the aliens - now THAT scares me - man's inhumanity to man, more than what the frigging aliens were doing to them. Now don't get me wrong - I liked most of the film, though I do agree that the cute little happy ending was a bit trite for my taste. But what I didn't like was that they showed us everything. If you recall in the original - you only see the actual alien once and for only about a second or two. In this one - you see four of them rampaging through the house for several minutes in close up - it leaves nothing to the imagination and takes a lot of the fright out of the film for me. I liked the way the aliens were handled much better in the original, and in similar films like Signs (I love the way M. Night Shyamalan handles fear - by leaving quite a lot to the imagination.) Overall, I think it was a fairly well constructed film - I didn't even mind Tom Cruise in this one - he was ok at acting manic through most of it (and I'm not a fan of his). But I've seen better sci-fi films. Like The Day the Earth Stood Still - it still scares me even though it's probably 40 years old or more.
"I don't really get the ending,all i can go with is when after several months,Judith saw Pat sang,and later she kissed him on the toilet,after that the story back to where Pat went down from the stage after he'd sung,and he went to the italian lady.I just don't get it,what Judith exatcly meant when he kissed Pat that she had seen,and did Pat end up together with The Italian Lady?Please help me,thank u very much!" Quote from someone on IMDB in reference to a movie he/she didn't understand. Such grammar!
#81

re: War of the Worlds/SPOILER

red, I did enjoy those same moments--I found her thinking it was terrorists poignant and honest about our world now. If we really were attacked by aliens, we would assume the same thing at first.

And the car scene is stunning--especially with how it ends.
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#82

re: War of the Worlds/SPOILER

Yeah, I agree with jrb and red about the "Is it the terrorists?" part and the end of the car scene. I was talking to my friend today and he told me that at those scenes, I was all hunched up in my chair with my hands over my mouth. I don't remember that but hey....
"It's a great feeling of power to be naked in front of people. We're happy to watch actual incredible graphic violence and gore, but as soon as somebody's naked it seems like the public goes a bit bananas about the whole thing."
#83

re: War of the Worlds/SPOILER

I just got back from seeing it. I could care less about the whole Tom Cruise thing. (like I'm going to set fire to my A Few Good Men DVD because he's a lunatic? I don't think so.)

Spoilers ahead:

The ending: not only is that how the book ended, but when "Independence Day" was released in 1996, people complained how they ripped off the ending of WOTW by giving the aliens a computer virus. Now we have a new WOTW with the original ending, and people still complain. Go figure.

Was it Ebert who complained that the movie wasn't fun? This is why I don't read critics reviews until after I see the film. The movie was scary and disturbing, and it was supposed to be. If it was fun, you would never believe for a second that the characters were in danger.

Can't say enough about Dakota...that kid is just incredibly talented. And I was fine with Tom--he's been a complete raving lunatic the past few weeks, but I've usually enjoyed his performances and I thought he did a good job here, especially the scene where he had to choose between Robbie and Rachel.

The 9/11 echoes were just disturbing. I was actually cringing at the missing person posters. I work in NYC, but I commute from NJ every day (and I was in the city on 9/11), so everything in the movie was just so familiar.

But I liked the movie--I'm glad it wasn't another ID4 knockoff (actually, I think ID4 was the WOTW knockoff), and it was genuinely scary.

Updated On: 7/3/05 at 02:00 AM

#84

re: War of the Worlds/SPOILER

I agree with Jen. Just because it's a big Hollywood blockbuster movie does not mean that it has to be "fun." I very much enjoyed the fact that it was dark and disturbing.
#85

re: War of the Worlds/SPOILER

I have a strong opinion about this film. To this day, Spielberg is still a superior director (and in my opinion always will be). But this IS is his "turkey". The film should have stayed in the 18th century where it belongs.

I could go on...

Updated On: 7/3/05 at 08:53 AM

#86

re: War of the Worlds/SPOILER

"Just because it's a big Hollywood blockbuster movie does not mean that it has to be "fun."

Shouldn't it at least make sense, though?
"The gods who nurse this universe think little of mortals' cares. They sit in crowds on exclusive clouds and laugh at our love affairs. I might have had a real romance if they'd given me a chance. I loved him, but he didn't love me. I wanted him, but he didn't want me. Then the gods had a spree and indulged in another whim. Now he loves me, but I don't love him." - Cole Porter
#88

re: War of the Worlds/SPOILER

It'd be interesting to see more movies about aliens where we learned something from them. Perhaps they would have enlightening ideas on how to stop terrorism instead of creating terrorism for a change.
"The gods who nurse this universe think little of mortals' cares. They sit in crowds on exclusive clouds and laugh at our love affairs. I might have had a real romance if they'd given me a chance. I loved him, but he didn't love me. I wanted him, but he didn't want me. Then the gods had a spree and indulged in another whim. Now he loves me, but I don't love him." - Cole Porter
#90

re: War of the Worlds/SPOILER

May have been new for him, but it didn't exactly reinvent the wheel as far as alien invasion films go.
"The gods who nurse this universe think little of mortals' cares. They sit in crowds on exclusive clouds and laugh at our love affairs. I might have had a real romance if they'd given me a chance. I loved him, but he didn't love me. I wanted him, but he didn't want me. Then the gods had a spree and indulged in another whim. Now he loves me, but I don't love him." - Cole Porter
#92

re: War of the Worlds/SPOILER

I know, but he could've chosen something else to do. Anyway, I doubt it's exactly the same as the story. First of all because it's set now.

Some logic questions:

How does bacteria killing the aliens prove that we earned our place on the planet? It seems like our technology defeating the aliens or something else would prove that we earned our place here more since we actually created technology.

As previously mentioned the making of the missing person flyers seemed unrealistic.

The grenade explosion most likely would have killed everyone in the basket, and if not, the fall to the ground would've.
"The gods who nurse this universe think little of mortals' cares. They sit in crowds on exclusive clouds and laugh at our love affairs. I might have had a real romance if they'd given me a chance. I loved him, but he didn't love me. I wanted him, but he didn't want me. Then the gods had a spree and indulged in another whim. Now he loves me, but I don't love him." - Cole Porter

Updated On: 7/3/05 at 10:51 AM

#93

re: War of the Worlds/SPOILER

Justin Chatwin...YUUUUUUUUUUUUMMY!
"I love talking about nothing. It is the only thing I know anything about." - Oscar Wilde
#94

Spielberg had to counter Independence Day

As has been posted, he was required to take us past a movie that had already ripped off this novel (and dragged in Roswell). He threw out all that rah-rah stuff about rallying together around one leader (fantasy in today's world), and opted to make it a bonafide war movie, with a palate (gray, black, ochre) that matched PRIVATE RYAN. I wasn't prepared for how truly grim it would be, the film's tone literally set early on in the working class neighborhood.

The art direction was startlingly bleak for a big budget summer film. Cruise's home was (appropriately) so dark you could barely see the gray light creeping in. All intentional. No camp dialogue, no loud color, no sunshine. Even Fanning's bright kids clothes were washed out. We knew dire doings were on their way. But who could imagine how dire. .

Spielberg seemed to determined to show us another America -- one we never saw in, say ET. No pretty California suburbs. By the time we got there -- that train going by at the crossing! I gasped! -- I didn't have time to question all the 9/11 evoking posters until after the film. As we watch, we wince and ache, since they set off visceral memories. It's questionable that it's unlikely people fleeing a death ray would take out poster board and prepare such poignant pleas. But who knows? I think the film had a more elaborate time scheme than we perceived -- things that passed quickly, may have taken 48 hours. If we assume people simply didn't come home after the first night ofthe tripod attacks, and then there was relative calm, the posters might've made sense. I buy the trade-off. And the ferry beat that follows the posters reveal is one of the most bravura set pieces in all of Spielberg's work.

Although I agree that showing these aliens was a mistake, if not a serious one, the movie's power over me was rather absolute -- so that I did something I never do at sci-fi anymore: suspend disbelief. As I watched, I accepted all. And as always, Spielberg is a master of (among many other things) portraying dramatic events through the eyes of a child. Fanning, who annoys the hell out of me in interviews, was rather stunningly used here, no? Her claustrophobia issues, her frightened eyes, her gradual acceptance of Cruise, her innate savvy as a hip kid in 2005 mised with a universal innocence -- all touches that are classic Spielberg point of view. I found myself willing to overlook all holes -- including an unecessarily happy resolution for one character -- so caught up was I in the film's dark power. If you think about it -- what artist of Spielberg's vision and caliber would make an apocolyptic movie without employing 9/11's range of images and the emotions engendered?


"I'm a comedian, but in my spare time, things bother me." Garry Shandling

Updated On: 7/3/05 at 11:34 AM

#95

Spielberg had to counter Independence Day

Auggie.I do agree that the whole bleak, dark theme was contructed well. And I do agree that at the moment of it all, the whole missing persons stuff didn't really pop into my head until after the movie.

But did I just see you compare this to Private Ryan or did I read incorrectly?
"It's a great feeling of power to be naked in front of people. We're happy to watch actual incredible graphic violence and gore, but as soon as somebody's naked it seems like the public goes a bit bananas about the whole thing."
#96

Spielberg had to counter Independence Day

<< To this day, Spielberg is still a superior director (and in my opinion always will be). But this IS is his "turkey". >>

So I take it you've never seen 1941??

Forget people making flyers hours after an alien invasion...I saw posters still going up weeks after 9/11, when there was no way in hell these people could still be alive. People put them up right after the tsunami too. It's hope, however far-fetched it might sound.

As far as the ending...can you think of a better weapon than your immune system? The human race has survived as long as it has because it keeps finding a way to beat diseases. Why do think AIDS is such a killer? With no immune system, a common cold turns into pneumonia and the person can die from it.

It's what happened...the aliens caught a cold. That's how HG Wells ended the story back in 1898.

I didn't think it was that much of a happy ending...nobody in that family is ever going to be the same. Cruise's character was a jerk who could care less about his kids. Then they're all he has left--and he has to give them back to their mother. What does he go back to?

I did like that it just concentrated on those 3 characters. No military war room scenes, no dragged out battle plans...it was just total chaos. I didn't need to see where the aliens came from--it didn't matter. They were on the attack, and there was no mercy. It was scary as hell.



#98

Spielberg had to counter Independence Day

MrMidwest, here's some more logic questions (these may have been covered earlier in the thread for all I know though):

How does the EMP kill all the car engines, but NOT the replacement parts on the shelf?

How does the NBC (or whatever network it was) have a working van too?

How does every car on the freeway stop working, yet there's a nice clear path for Tom to drive through?

Similarly, how does a 747 total their house and neighborhood, yet miss their car?

While I'm at it, why only one plane crash? The EMP would have surely fried them all, and given Jersey's flight path, it should have been raining planes.

Are we really supposed to believe that Tom's son could survive being carpet bombed and made it back to Boston alone and unscathed?

Why blindfold your daughter before killing a bonkers survivalist if you're going to close the door anyway?
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#99

Spielberg had to counter Independence Day

am i the only one who wasn't impressed with dakota fanning?

well, i guess i WAS impressed, but i dont feel like she's the amazing actress everyone's talking about. im not saying i could have done it better (too old for the part anyway) and im not saying it was a bad casting choice, because she IS a good actress, i just wasn't blown away, like everyone else seems to be.
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#100

Spielberg had to counter Independence Day

I grew tired of her hysteria, I must admit.
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