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#101

Spielberg had to counter Independence Day

I didnt like Spielberg's use of 9/11 images. I dont care if people dont agree but it made me uneasy. I felt like he should've come up with his own freaky imagery. I don't feel like it was necessary or that he had anything very new to say politically.
"The gods who nurse this universe think little of mortals' cares. They sit in crowds on exclusive clouds and laugh at our love affairs. I might have had a real romance if they'd given me a chance. I loved him, but he didn't love me. I wanted him, but he didn't want me. Then the gods had a spree and indulged in another whim. Now he loves me, but I don't love him." - Cole Porter
#102

Spielberg had to counter Independence Day

wait a second... where/when did he use 9/11 images? did i fall asleep?
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#103

Spielberg had to counter Independence Day

The "missing" posters, the downed plane.
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#104

Spielberg had to counter Independence Day

Tom Cruise covered in ashes and dust, people filming the chaos.

"The gods who nurse this universe think little of mortals' cares. They sit in crowds on exclusive clouds and laugh at our love affairs. I might have had a real romance if they'd given me a chance. I loved him, but he didn't love me. I wanted him, but he didn't want me. Then the gods had a spree and indulged in another whim. Now he loves me, but I don't love him." - Cole Porter

Updated On: 7/4/05 at 11:30 AM

#105

Spielberg had to counter Independence Day

Another thing that bugged me about that first fighting scene....all those lazers and all he gets out of it is dust? And sure maybe a scratch? Doesn't seem real to me. Then again, if he died then and there there wouldn't be a story and it wouldn't star Tom cruise. But still.
"It's a great feeling of power to be naked in front of people. We're happy to watch actual incredible graphic violence and gore, but as soon as somebody's naked it seems like the public goes a bit bananas about the whole thing."
#106

Spielberg had to counter Independence Day

You know, I really don't want to seem like I'm nitpicking. It's not that I don't like Speilberg. He's made some great movies. It just seems like there have been so many lapses in logic in his recent movies like AI, Minority Report, and this one. Aside from the logic problems there were other things I didn't like about the movie as I mentioned on the previous pages. I really wanted to like WOTW, but it just didn't do it for me. There are good things about it (like the special effects, although they do tend to look a bit hazy like a lot of movie effects lately, revealing their falseness).
"The gods who nurse this universe think little of mortals' cares. They sit in crowds on exclusive clouds and laugh at our love affairs. I might have had a real romance if they'd given me a chance. I loved him, but he didn't love me. I wanted him, but he didn't want me. Then the gods had a spree and indulged in another whim. Now he loves me, but I don't love him." - Cole Porter
#107

Spielberg had to counter Independence Day

Exactly MrMidwest. Exactly my thoughts.
"It's a great feeling of power to be naked in front of people. We're happy to watch actual incredible graphic violence and gore, but as soon as somebody's naked it seems like the public goes a bit bananas about the whole thing."
#108

Spielberg had to counter Independence Day

I liked the movie, but it bugged the hell out of me that when all the electronic equipment stopped working someone was using his camcorder to video the whole rise of the first machine!

Also, if these things were underground the whole time - with all our pipes and sewers etc -- NO ONE EVER FOUND THEM???

If they were waiting a million years, shouldn't they have attacked, say, a hundred years ago (when the book was set) before our technology got to a point where we had a CHANCE (Ray did kill one with a grenade...)? Why not wipe us out when we had no chance?

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#109

all shrewd posts about the plot holes -- but where they vampires/parasites?

I've already admitted how easily I suspended disbelief, and was shaken by the film's impact. Yet I cannot argue with the really smart catalogue of plot holes in this thread. Everyone here has raised good points.

SPOILERS GALORE: The most potent one, perhaps, is about the timing -- why stick this apparatus under the ground and wait until ... now? My theory, tied to something not much discussed, concerns the obvious parasitic nature of the aliens. Did they wait until the earth was so densely populated that they could feed off of the animal life (us!) so freely? I was startled by the squence when it was realed how they need to drain us for those blood-soaked-plants (right?) Was that a key component? They didn't just want to exterminate, or the death rate might've been more efficacious (as someone pointed out--it worked about as well as death rays did in FLASH GORDON, 75 years ago-zap this guy, zap that one, hundreds flee around them...).

I thought about how I enjoyed the over-the-top INDEPENDENCE DAY, but the holes were outrageous there AS they appeared. Remember the act three of that film, when Jeff Goldblum got into their computers? I remember turning to someone and saying "The aliens use WINDOWS 95!" All he had to do is connect via his modem (the technology is already quaint in 2005.) It always cracks me up -- going back to the 50s scifi -- how aliens are always 'advanced' in terms of technology, but somehow interface with ours when it's necessary to serve the story.

I also wondered why these alients, so hellbent on death, would bother to stick that compledx snake apparatus into one farmhouse basement. Why spend all the time there? Why not go ... say ... to NASA, or more survival-oriented, to a blood supply? They were sometimes suddenly fascinated with a handful of individuals, after being seemingly oblivious. I didn't get that. But it did make for very intimate scenes, which these movies despearately need.

Anyway, this thread proves that this movie does not have fewer holes than any other. But for me, because Spielberg created a gripping sense of dread and a real threat, and maybe because he employed 9/11 as a metaphor, I just found myself willing to suspend disbelief at every turn. It was dark, grim, and frightening. At least until I got home.
"I'm a comedian, but in my spare time, things bother me." Garry Shandling
#110

all shrewd posts about the plot holes -- but where they vampires/parasites?

What other freak imagery should he have come up with for an attack? One of the things I found so powerful about the movie was how closely they played the 9/11-type shock that followed it.

As far as Dakota's 'hysteria'...please. What else does a 10-year-old do during an alien invasion? When they make the kids too smart-alecky, people complain that the kid was written too smart. When the kid has a major meltdown (which I think most adults would do in that situation, forget kids), they're annoying. Nobody wins.

I thought she was great. Her character didn't have to be anything more than she was. She was just scared and wanted her mom.

And as far as waiting all those years to attack...that was the irony. They waited for years, watching our technology and weapons, waiting for that moment when they would be able to take out all of it...not realizing that the most deadly weapon on the planet is disease, and our strongest weapon are the immune systems that fight them off. That was HG Wells.

That was the reason for the scene with Rachel's splinter at the beginning of the movie. Ray said he'd take it out before it got infected, and she told him not to because her body would just rid of it on it's own. The aliens turned out to be one BIG splinter.

Another scene I liked was one of the crowd scenes, where one person was saying that Europe wasn't it, and just a little further up another person was saying Europe got the worst of it. Loved that whole sense of confusion about everything.

As far as a lot of the logic, take it as suspension of disbelief. There are no explosions in space, but they've been blowing up spaceships in Star Wars forever. Go figure.
#112

all shrewd posts about the plot holes -- but where they vampires/parasites?

I saw it. Heres my review (Im tired so its short):

This reimagining of the classic tale of alien invasion, War of the Worlds is absolutley breathtaking on so many levels. Stephen Spielberg has outdone himself yet again in the directing category and Tom Cruise was in control the entire film and his acting skills were amazingly well polished and were terrifying, moving, and seemed so real and raw. He was wonderful. Dakota Fanning has made me forgive her for Uptown Girls and is fantastic. She screams a bit too much but when it comes time for her dramatic, non screeching scenes, she is tearjerkingly awesome. Tim Robbins is creepy and frightening and yet I somehow felt his pain. He is yet again flawless in the little role he has to work with.
This is, in my opinion, not only the best film of the summer but one of the years best as well. The action scenes are jaw-droppingly amazing and the special effects are some of the best Ive ever seen. I found myself crying and screaming and laughing a bit all throughout the movie, which is rare for me. Unlike the past few "Summer Blockbusters" (a perfect example would be The Day After Tomorrow), War of the Worlds is not just an action movie with amazing special effects galore, it has a wonderfully wrought story and plot line. Its earlier alien invasion scenes are wonderful (as were the beginning special effects scenes in The Day After Tomorrow) but soon enough, the movie proves its not all about things exploding and aliens taking over the world and the audience is propelled and amazingly interested in the lives and backstories and adventures of the family in question. What Im trying to say is that WOTW manages to have wonderful special effects but be a wonderfully put together and meticulously crafted film as well with an excellent and intriguing storyline.
My only complaint was the end. Throughout the film, I kept thinking "how will it end?" and "oh my God, who will win?" etc etc but ******SPOILER??****** it just seemed to...randomly end I guess. It didnt explain anything. It didnt explain *HUGE SPOILER* why the aliens just stopped functioning, why and how Robbie got home safe after he ran into a huge explosion, why/how the mother,stepfather,and grandparents all lived without a scratch on their bodies, and the red,veiny stuff the aliens left behind still seemed a little unexplained to me. If the script wasnt as bumpy and inconsistent, this would have been a film for the ages. It is a wonderful film, no doubt, but we shall see if it will stand the test of time. I personally loved it, flaws and all.

FOUR STARS
#113

all shrewd posts about the plot holes -- but where they vampires/parasites?

One hole that I was a little confused about was how the aliens had better technology then the earth, had the ability to watch the earth for millions of years, and could ride lightening...yet they seemed mystified by the wheel and the mirror. :/.

Jeff
#114

all shrewd posts about the plot holes -- but where they vampires/parasites?

*SPOILERS*

Saw this on Saturday and was disappointed. I was really looking forward to this film as I'm always been a fan of Spielberg's work, but this is one of my least favorite films of his. There was simply too much focus on the "bad-dad-making-good" story rather than the alien invasion and its impact on society. First off, Cruise's character was so unlikeable, I didn't care what happened to him and thought his kids were better off without him. As soon as he witnesses the first signs of massive destruction, he sticks around and leaves the kids to fend for themselves at home. By that time, I really hated the father and simply could not sympathize with him for the rest of the film. I just felt sorry for the kids for having to put up with him. When he leaves the girl alone again so he can protect the more adult boy who is far more capable of taking care of himself really made me want to shoot the laser at the dad and dustify him. Did anyone really care what happened to him at the end?

How convenient that he found the only working car and everywhere he drove had a clear path for miles. On the roads. With hundreds of stalled vehicles. Right.

The very special introduction to the very special Tim Robbins cameo made me laugh out loud. That whole let's-freeze-on-his-face-so-everyone-can-recognize-it's-Tim-Robbins was just silly and pathetic. The whole Tim Robbins sequence was far too long and drawn out and the film would have been better off without it. The snakey spy things were reminiscent of The Abyss and Minority Report and wound up being dull, predictable and pretty silly-looking (anyone else think of any one-eyed snake jokes?).

The actual destruction scenes were fantastic and that noise they created for the tripods was pure signature Spielberg. It created an absolutely terrifying effect and he could have gone much further with that rather than trying to wedge in the plot concerning the familial relationships. I mean, E.T. was never about a single mom's struggle to raise three kids, Close Encounters was not about a man's failure to communicate to his family, and Jurassic Park was not about an archaeologist who learns to like with children. Spielberg always had a human aspect to his sci-fi films in order to allow his audience to connect to the characters, but he didn't make the relationships the focus of them. He tried it with A.I. and it backfired on him. Minority Report did a better job, but this was kind of a step backwards from that. I thought the ferry scene was the best part of the film and I really wished the rest of the film could have been more like it. Dakota was the best actor in the whole thing. Cruise has given better performances, but usually it was because the characters were written better. There really wasn't a whole lot here for him to work with. To say he was good or great in this film is really not saying much at all.
"What can you expect from a bunch of seitan worshippers?" - Reginald Tresilian
#115

all shrewd posts about the plot holes -- but where they vampires/parasites?

When was there a clear path on the road?! Cruise was weaving in and out of the other cars stuck in the middle of the street. Don't know how some people seemed to have missed that...

I thought this movie was just phenomenal! I can't remember the last time I sat with my jaw open for a good 90% of a movie. Unbelievavbly tense and scary, and I even liked the ending. Yes, there were some small plot holes, but what fun is a movie if you over-critisize every little moment!? This movie is everything a summer blockbuster should be, and it pretty much scared me for the rest of the day.
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#117

all shrewd posts about the plot holes -- but where they vampires/parasites?

in no way, shape, or form did it compare to the original movie with Gene Barry......

Hollywood, STOP MAKING REMAKES.....(unless it's a musical)......
It is ridiculous to set a detective story in New York City. New York City is itself a detective story... AGATHA CHRISTIE, Life magazine, May 14, 1956
#118

all shrewd posts about the plot holes -- but where they vampires/parasites?

"When was there a clear path on the road?! Cruise was weaving in and out of the other cars stuck in the middle of the street. Don't know how some people seemed to have missed that..."

The fact that he could weave in and out and the road was never completely blocked was what I meant. New York to Boston and no jams? Seriously? What about intersections with lights? Come on! If the road is never completely blocked, that means there was a clear path. I thought Spielberg did a MUCH better job with action and suspense in the first Jurassic Park film and even Minority Report.
"What can you expect from a bunch of seitan worshippers?" - Reginald Tresilian
#119

all shrewd posts about the plot holes -- but where they vampires/parasites?

or the fact that his son somehow miraculously escaped being in the direct path of the Martians and made it to Boston unscathed.......

this movie was way too much action, and not enough story......I can only pray that Spielberg NEVER does a remake of Day of the Triffids......
It is ridiculous to set a detective story in New York City. New York City is itself a detective story... AGATHA CHRISTIE, Life magazine, May 14, 1956

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